Lt. Heinz KUHLBRODT - MIA 1 August 1944 - FATE?

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Dear all,

According to "De Zeng and all", on the Luftwaffe Officers List G-K, a certain Leutnant Heinz Kuhlbrodt was KIA or MIA on the 1st August 1944.

KUHLBRODT, Heinz. (DOB: 05.01.21 ). 01.11.41 promo to Lt./A1. 01.08.44 officially listed as MIA

Any information regarding the aircraft (werknummer, codes), eventual other crewmembers, unit of this particular airman is most welcomed.

I have tried to find more, but got no joy.

Adriano Baumgartner

[Adriano Baumgartner]

He "may" be probably related to either a Training Unit (A/B Schule or C-Schule), or was he related to those other two losses on the 1st August 1944:

a)- 6.(F)/122 > Ju 88T-1 Werk # 430758 "F6 + OM" crashed at Vercelli.

b) Lt. Uwe Laas, 5/KG-51, Me 410A-1/U2 at Bargny, no further detail.

Adriano Baumgartner

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Adriano Baumgartner

… or was he related to those other two losses on the 1st August 1944:

a)- 6.(F)/122 > Ju 88T-1 Werk # 430758 "F6 + OM" crashed at Vercelli …

Adriano Baumgartner

The only casualty of this crash was Uffz. Viktor Klemm (KIA).

[Matti Salonen]

1941-11-30, 1.(H)/14, Hs 126 B-1, 3380, 5F+KH, (Jeremajawo-Kosino-Tschernaja Gras-Ljalowo-Marino)
Flugzeugführer Ofhr Kuhlbrot, Heinz, vermißt
Beobachter Ofw Berndsen, Andreas, vermißt
Vom Feindflug nicht zurückgekehrt. Bruch 100 %.

The date is not 100 % sure. GQM gives 1941-11-26 and in the NVM there is a hand-written correction with red to 1941-11-20.

Matti

[Adriano Baumgartner]

MATTI,

You are really an ACE....Owe you another one!

It is strange that the date of his dismise on Kracker is 1st August 1944....however, you matched the loss. Fantastic! Thanks a lot indeed...

Adriano

[Stig Jarlevik]

Matti

Just to get things 100% here.
You actually list three dates, 30.11.1941, 26.11.1941 and 20.11.1941.
Most likely 26/11 is correct and either 30/11 or 20/11 is a slip of the finger?

Cheers
Stig

[Matti Salonen]

Frankly, I don't know, which date is correct. Normally I trust NVM info, but in this case even that has two dates: original typed and with red ink changed. GQM has a third, which you consider correct, but on which grounds. Have you seen other documents on this loss?

Matti

[Stig Jarlevik]

Ahh, sorry Matti

I only thought there were two dates circulating, one with GQM and the corrected one by NVM (either 20/11 or 30/11)
Never realised NVM actually quoted both dates...

My question did not stem from any knowledge of which date was correct or not, but simply which one was not.

Cheers
Stig

[Brian Bines]

Seeing the NVM changes the date to the 20th and GQM correction note dated 3-1-42 for Bernsen's name gives loss date as the 20th would this date be more likely .

[kirche]

Jeremajawo-Kosino-Tschernaja Gras-Ljalowo-Marino

Good day,
here is the flight route - it's a circular route over the front line 16A on 11/30/1941:
Jeremajawo - x=37.020760&y=55.943171 (Еремеево) - the Germans
Kosino - x=37.180406&y=55.891966 (Козино) - rears 9 Guards.SD and 146 TBr
Tschernaja Gras - x=37.308478&y=55.974604 (Черная Грязь) - reserves 16 A
Ljalowo - x=37.226938&y=56.050726 (Льялово) - persistent battles on the flank of the 7th Guards. SD and the cadet regiment.
Marino - x=37.012875&y=56.019020 (Марьино) - the Germans

On November 20 and 26, the weather was bad and the work of aviation was limited. November 30 was a summer day and the front and near rear of the 16th Army was roughly along the route of the aircraft.