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Old 4th December 2017, 10:15
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Anton Hackl

Good morning Gentlemen,

I'm trying to find out more about Anton Hackl.
http://luftwaffe.cz/hackl.html
http://cieldegloire.fr/001_hackl_a.php
https://www.lesasdelaluftwaffe.fr/jg...v-anton-hackl/

Can anybody tell me if he flew a Bf109 or an Fw190 in February1945 with Stab/JG300 ?

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Michael
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Old 4th December 2017, 13:55
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Re: Anton Hackl

Hello Michael.
Given he was flying 190A's since Feb 1944, I would be staggered if he flew one of the few, if any, 109's of Stab JG300 in Feb 1945. But if you're looking for certainty ......... sorry.
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Re: Anton Hackl

I've read that he had both: a Fw 190 for bomber intercept and a Me 109 for fighter work.

I can't remember the source, but I'm sure of it.

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Re: Anton Hackl

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I've read that he had both: a Fw 190 for bomber intercept and a Me 109 for fighter work.

I can remember the source, but I'm sure of it.

Bronc
Some aviation artist made that comment when he painted a pic of Hackl in a BF-109 intercepting a Bomber Stream; I think he was referring to Hackl's time as head honcho of JG-11 (or was it head honcho of III/JG-11); Sorry I cannot say more on the matter, but Hackl is one of my favorite Jagdwaffe 'personalities'.
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Re: Anton Hackl

Good morning,

John Weal indicated that Hackl used both the Bf109 and the Fw190 at the same period.
https://www.amazon.de/Focke-Wulf-Ace...der_1855325950

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Re: Anton Hackl

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Good morning,

John Weal indicated that Hackl used both the Bf109 and the Fw190 at the same period.
https://www.amazon.de/Focke-Wulf-Ace...der_1855325950

Cheers,
Michael
Weal was quoting Bernd Barbas. Page 69 of Planes of the Luftwaffe Fighter Aces Volume 1 (the older Kookaburra technical publications edition). There are two photos of interest on the page - one shows a Bf109 captioned as having 132 victories on the rudder and the other shows a mechanic applying Hackl's 141st victory to the rudder of an Fw190. The 109 is depicted in double-spread artwork within the same volume.

The info is duplicated on Page 98 of Volume I of the the newer (Schiffer) edition of that two part series.

Do yourself a big favour - move on from Weal's 190 Aces of the Western Front book. It is a bad source as the noted historian Donald Caldwell (author of the JG 26 War Diary and JG 26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe) pointed out on the earlier incarnation of this forum.
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Re: Anton Hackl

Is a clear date given for these two photos ?

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Re: Anton Hackl

Thanks for the detailed info on the references Nick.
Using that info I checked my copies of Weal's book and Schiffer's Luftwaffe Aces vol1.
The FW190/Bf109 info relates to Hackl's time with JG11 in 1944. The FW190 photo is dated April 11 1944, but whether the date was simply "guessed" by counting the kill markings and then checking the date on which Hackl had that number, I can't say.
Unfortunately, the Bf109G-6 pic has no date. Given it shows 132 kills, that would suggest January 1944, but there's nothing to confirm this.
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Re: Anton Hackl

Hello Peter,

thanks for your assessment.
A different kind of primary source is Hackl's rudder
http://www.axiswarprize.com/anton-hackl.html
which reveals that he was transferred away from the Russian front after 118 kills.

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Thanks for the detailed info on the references Nick.
Using that info I checked my copies of Weal's book and Schiffer's Luftwaffe Aces vol1.
The FW190/Bf109 info relates to Hackl's time with JG11 in 1944. The FW190 photo is dated April 11 1944, but whether the date was simply "guessed" by counting the kill markings and then checking the date on which Hackl had that number, I can't say.
Unfortunately, the Bf109G-6 pic has no date. Given it shows 132 kills, that would suggest January 1944, but there's nothing to confirm this.
Peter
11 April 1944 is the date of Hackl's 141st according to older lists, Peter, so your theory of that date looks correct. As for his 132nd, 11 January 1944 is correct by the older lists so the 'he flew one of each concurrently' story is looking a little shaky - exactly 3 months difference between the two dates leaves me asking where the story really came from. Perhaps Hackl said it to Barbas in an interview that we cannot obtain.
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