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Old 14th December 2015, 12:18
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lost 1 Me-109

Hallo

Who can help me, please?

On February 5, 1944 the II./JG.52 lost 1 Me-109. Whether there are details of it?

Thank you in advance!
Oleg Kaminski
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Old 15th December 2015, 16:30
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

Hi Oleg

I looked through the JG 52 loss list by Niko Fast but nothing was listed for that day. Since the QM 6 lists are lost for the time being all we have are the incidents which involved casualties and this would be appear to not be one of those. Hopefully, someone else can add more to this.

Horrido!

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Old 15th December 2015, 17:20
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

Hello Oleg,

I looked in Bernd Barbas book about II./JG 52, but no loss found for that date.
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Old 15th December 2015, 18:26
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

Thank you Leo and Dirk

Yes you are absolutely right. In Bernd Barbas and Niko Fast book this loss isn't specified. But on the site
http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_summ_loss_acft_overview.asp
this loss is specified:
Registered Luftwaffe Summary Aircraft Losses
Loss date: Unit: No of Aircraft: Category: Report date:
05.02.1944 I./J.G.52 1 20 13.02.1944
05.02.1944 II./J.G.52 1 3 15.02.1944
05.02.1944 III./J.G.52 1 20 02.03.1944

I am surprised with this information.

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Old 16th December 2015, 00:51
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

a 20% loss is not a real loss
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Old 16th December 2015, 09:39
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

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a 20% loss is not a real loss
"20" is not a damage percentage but a category number.
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Old 16th December 2015, 10:46
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

Thank you kaki3152 and Maxim1

Explain please value of categories 3, 4, 7, 20, 21, 22, 23 and others.

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Old 16th December 2015, 11:21
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

From an old thread by Andreas Brekken:

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1
durch Feindeinwirkung vermißt
Missing due to enemy action

2
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Flakbeschuß total
Destroyed by anti-aircraft artillery on operational flight

3
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Flakbeschuß beschädigt
Damaged by anti-aircraft artillery on operational flight

4
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Bordwaffenbeschuß total mit Feindbeobachtung
Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy

5
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Bordwaffenbeschuß total ohne Feindbeobachtung
Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, not observed by enemy

6
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Bordwaffenbeschuß beschädigt mit Feindbeobachtung
Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy

7
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Bordwaffenbeschuß beschädigt ohne Feindbeobachtung
Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, not observed by enemy

8
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Infanteriebeschuß total
Destroyed by gunfire from enemy infantry on operational flight

9
durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug durch Infanteriebeschuß beschädigt
Damaged by gunfire from enemy infantry on operational flight

10
durch Feindeinwirkung auf eigenem Kriegsgebiet (Bodenverluste) durch Bombenabwurf total
Destroyed on the ground by enemy bomb

11
durch Feindeinwirkung auf eigenem Kriegsgebiet (Bodenverluste) durch Bombenabwurf
beschädigt Damaged on the ground by enemy bomb

12
durch Feindeinwirkung auf eigenem Kriegsgebiet (Bodenverluste) durch Bordwaffenbeschuß total
Destroyed on the ground by gunfire from enemy aircraft

13
durch Feindeinwirkung auf eigenem Kriegsgebiet (Bodenverluste) durch Bordwaffenbeschuß beschädigt
Damaged on the ground by gunfire from enemy aircraft

14
durch Feindeinwirkung auf eigenem Kriegsgebiet (Bodenverluste) durch Erdbeschuß
total Destroyed on the ground by enemy gunfire from ground forces

15
durch Feindeinwirkung auf eigenem Kriegsgebiet (Bodenverluste) durch Erdbeschuß beschädigt
Damaged on the ground by enemy gunfire from ground forces

16
durch Feindeinwirkung Sonstige total
Destroyed by other enemy action

17
durch Feindeinwirkung Sonstige beschädigt
Damaged by other enemy action

18
insgesamt durch Feindeinwirkung total
Total number of aircraft destroyed by enemy action

19 insgesamt durch Feindeinwirkung beschädigt
Total number of aircraft damaged by enemy action

20
ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag total
Destroyed without enemy action on operational flight

21
ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag beschädigt
Damaged without enemy action on operational flight

22
ohne Feindeinwirkung ohne Feindauftrag (Betriebsverluste) total
Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight

23
ohne Feindeinwirkung ohne Feindauftrag (Betriebsverluste) beschädigt
Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight

24
insgesamt ohne Feindeinwirkung total
Total number of aircraft destroyed without enemy action

25
insgesamt ohne Feindeinwirkung beschädigt
Total number of aircraft damaged without enemy action
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Old 16th December 2015, 15:37
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Re: lost 1 Me-109

Thank you Maxim1

Kind regards,
Oleg
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