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Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
Has anyone put together a list of German bomber pilots or crew based on number of missions completed? I have seen one of Russians .....
Also, on a forum I saw a contributor credit StG/SG ace Horst Kaubisch with 137 tank kills in a Stuka and/or FW190F. I haven't seen this anywhere else, so I ask, is it correct? Thanks Peter Last edited by PMoz99; 15th April 2017 at 03:08. |
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
Best book I've seen so far is Bruetting's 'Das Waren die Deutschen Kampfflieger-Asse' from way back, printed by Motorbuch-Verlag.
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
Hello gentlemen!
Yes-but there is only an entry to Oberleutnant Werner Kaupisch on page 120. In January 1941 this pilot saved the crew from Hauptmann Kowalewski out of the desert 270 km SE of Benghasi. Herzliche Grüsse aus Oberschwaben, Wolfgang |
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
Thanks.
Sorry if I misled re Kaubisch - he flew Ju87 and FW190F in StG77 and SG77 and SG1, not with any KG. I maybe should have put him in a separate post. Peter |
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
It is in fact Maj. Horst Kaubisch (Eichenlaub awarded 24.06.44). The 137 tanks destroyed from his time with III./St.G. 77 on the Russian front. Later KiA on 12.02.45 flying a FW 190. (From Obermaier's Die Ritterkreuztraeger der Luftwaffe, 1939-45, Band II.
Tom |
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
Thank you Tom!
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
We are confusing Kampfflieger with Schlachtflieger. What constitutes a bomber ace-missions flown, targets destroyed, tonnage of bombs dropped? Best books on bomber award recipients were the 2 listing RK winners likewise Obermaier's book on ground attack recipients
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
Sorry Chris, I just badly framed my post in the first place, and I'm paying for it now.
The list I was looking for was regarding KG bombers. There is a StG/SG list available already. The lists I've seen are usually sorted by number of missions flown. Not always the best way to "judge" whether one is an ace or not, but then many of the various decorations were handed out when one had flown a certain number of missions. Of course, there were always exceptions ....... |
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
While Brütting was good in its time, it has been surpassed by Jochen Kaiser's two-volume Die Ritterkreuzträger der Kampfflieger, Luftfahrtverlag-Start, ©2010, 2011
The dilemma of using a raw number of sorties is that the Luftwaffe counted a mission of greater than four hours differently than a briefer flight. Baumbach's just-under 100 becomes 147 when one calculates those Feindflüge that were between four and eight hours. Hansgeorg Bätcher's 658 Feindflüge, with 45 of these of more than four hours results in a theoretical total of 703. Thus, on page 241 of Kaiser's second volume are two listings, one, "Die meisten Feindflüge," the next, "Die meisten Frontflüge," but many are listed only as "500+" , or even, in Bermadinger's case, "466+" Pages 242, 243 include listings of oldest and youngest, the first few dozen awarded during 1940, the last ones awarded from March 1945, and a breakdown by rank at the time of award. If interested in the Kampfflieger, these books are absolutely worth investing in. GRM |
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Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
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What is the difference between Feindflüge and Frontflüge? Regards, Maksim |
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