BF109G-12

[RT]

A part B+V i. Wenzendorf , who made/transform G-12 ??

Remi

[Adlerhorst]

Sounds like Blohm & Voss Flugzeugwerke Wenzendorf. Here a link to the lost place (in German) ... http://www.lostplaces.de/cms/content/view/128/33/

Thomas

[RT]

I mean except B+V in Wenzendorf, who transformed Bf109g-6 in Bf109g-12

Remi

[Adlerhorst]

I mean except B+V in Wenzendorf, who transformed Bf109g-6 in Bf109g-12


Well as far as i know, only Blohm & Voss did this ..... Round about 500 G 12's should have been converted from different G - models, a task absolutely possible for only one company.

Thomas

[RT]

500 ??

Seems a bit high , how hv you guessed this figure ??

Remi

[Adlerhorst]

From a German website to be honest (http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/ ) the author based his knowledge on a book about the Me 109 written by Rodeike/Prien. Maybe the number is too high - who know's, i also found some numbers around 200 at another page, but at least that would fit with the fact of only one company converting these planes.....

I have some more book's available regarding this plane, in case i should find some more information, i will let you know !

Thomas

[Adlerhorst]

I just checked the book ' Die 109' written by Heinz J. Nowarra, he said, that only 80 (!) BF 109 G's were converted into G 12 airframes .... sounds more realistic to me.

Thomas

[RT]

Seaplane wrote;
The Bf 109G-12 conversions were made by Blohm & Voss. According to the RLM Flugzeug-Programm nr. 226 dated 15.12.1944, the total number of Bf 109G-12 on order was at that time 964 aircraft. Up to 30.11.1944 a total of 344 aircraft had been delivered. Production of the remaining 620 aircraft was scheduled to take place from December 1944 and through to March 1946. That is what I call optimistic planning as late as December 1944.

those docs are quite pertinent, the right number is 227, in which we found some info on the Hungarian Bf109, last figure is given for 30.nov at that 344 hv been deliverd, forseen for dec. 55, Jan 65, Febr. 65... we could think that a big part of those of dec nd jan. hv been produce the others more questionnable, so total production hv to be between 400 or 500,


A quick search deliver those ones, one speak about

14 9 44 1 Erg,NJGr, H Ludwigslust A BF109G-12 19548 Ro51 100
1 4 44 LF Reich FL,ü,G 1 Vahenwald FAWS L BF109G-12 14725 15
1 6 44 LF Reich I JG 102 Zerbst FP L BF109G-12 19318 40
2 5 44 LF Reich I JG 104 Fürth FP Ger,v,L,bf109 BF109G-12 14035 25
3 6 44 LF Reich Fl,ü,G 1 Hannover A BF109G-12 16207 100
3 7 44 LF Reich JG 103,, Stolp-reitz Z rollen BF109G-12 1935 35
4 6 44 LF Reich I JG 106 Germersheim FP MSTO BF109G-12 14867 70
5 6 44 LF Reich I JG 103 Stolp-reitz BF BF109G-12 172633 20
5 3 44 LF Reich JG 110 Clausa A MSTO BF109G-12 116109 70
6 9 44 LF 10 JG 104 Roth FP L BF109G-12 19551 40
6 9 44 LF 10 JG 106 Reichenbach FP RSCH BF109G-12 14888 15
6 9 44 LF 10 JG 106 Reichenbach FP BF BF109G-12 16226 25
7 6 44 LF Reich III JG 105 Freudenstadt nord, BA TM BF109G-12 10838 10
7 8 44 LF 10 NAG 102 Jüterbog-damm BF BF109G-12 19499 20
10 5 44 LF Reich FL,ü,G 1 Stolp-reitz FP BR TM BF109G-12 19315 20
10 6 44 LF Reich Fl,ü,G 1 Hameln b, Z Luft BF109G-12 15191 100
10 6 44 LF Reich Fl,ü,G 1 Hameln b, Z Luft BF109G-12 411267 100
12 1 45 II JG 103 Stolp BF109G-12 19766
12 4 44 LF Reich JG 104 Erlangen b, TM BF109G-12 19804 80
12 4 44 LF Reich JG 108 Bad Vöslau FP Bombenw, BF109G-12 16296 100
13 5 44 LF Reich I JG 103 Stolp-reitz FP BF TM BF109G-12 15439
14 4 44 LF Reich JG 102 Strinum N MSTO BF109G-12 14229 60
15 6 44 LF Reich FFS A14 Nürnberg FP RSCH BF109G-12 19370 10
15 5 44 LF Reich I JG 102 X Fahnenflucht verm, BF109G-12 15110 100
15 7 44 LF Reich NAG 102 Brieg FP Wartungsfehler BF109G-12 19316 50
16 6 44 LF Reich Fl,Ü,G 1 Altenburg FP L BF109G-12 12609 25
16 6 44 LF Reich Fl,Ü,G 1 Magdeburg O RSCH BF109G-12 14975 10
16 6 44 LF Reich JG 103 Stolp-reitz BF BF109G-12 19212 40
18 8 44 LF 10 Fl,ü,G 1 Rasdorfen b, N MSTO BF109G-12 16162 40
18 10 44 JG102 X A BF109G-12 19213 90
19 6 44 LF Reich JG 101 Am Kaiserstuhl N verorien, BF109G-12 16156 65
19 8 44 LF 10 JG 110 Altenburg RFSC BF109G-12 797 10
20 5 44 LF Reich Fl,ü,G 1 Vahrenwald FP BF L BF109G-12 19301 25
20 8 44 LF 10 Fl,ü,G 1 Rastorf BA Mbrand BF109G-12 160162 45
20 9 44 LF 10 JG 104 Roth FP BF L BF109G-12 19330 30
20 9 44 LF 10 JG 112 Landau FP BF BF109G-12 19802 10
20 5 44 LF Reich II NAG 102 Doesen N TM BF109G-12 19224 70
20 7 44 LF 10 NAG 102 Jüterbog-damm BF BF109G-12 19552 15
21 7 44 LF 10 II JG 103 Stolp-reitz FP S Ger, Halle BF109G-12 13439 100
21 6 44 LF Reich JG 104 Fürth FP MSTO BF109G-12 162007 50
22 1 44 BM JG 110 Brandenburg b, N MSTO BF109G-12 19558 100
22 7 44 LF 10 JG 110 Kraschnitz A TM BF109G-12 19532 100
22 9 44 LF 10 JG 112 Landau FP Ger,S,bf109 BF109G-12 14947 30
23 6 44 LF Reich Fl,Ü,G 1 Hannover-buchholz BA MSTO BF109G-12 16020 60
24 4 44 LF Reich JG 110 Russdorf A TM BF109G-12 19784 100
25 8 44 LF 10 Fl,ü,G 1 Grossenbrode FP N MSTO BF109G-12 10891 20
25 7 44 LF 10 JG 101 Schongau b, BA MSTO BF109G-12 10346 45
25 5 44 LF Reich I JG 109 Stolp-reitz BR BF BF109G-12 19963 15
25 7 44 LF 10 NAG 102 Kreisewitz kr,Brieg MSTO BF109G-12 10892 80
26 7 44 LF 10 JG 106 Reichenbach N MSTO BF109G-12 16169 55
27 8 44 LF 10 JG 103 Stolp-reitz Z L BF109G-12 16266 15
28 5 44 LF Reich II JG 103 Gardersee A BF109G-12 19501 100
28 8 44 LF 10 JG 104 Hangelar FP MSTO S BF109G-12 19534 90
29 8 44 LF 10 JG 112 Landau b, A TM BF109G-12 19333 100
30 8 44 LF 10 Fl,ü,G 1 Malacky TM BF109G-12 19325 15
30 8 44 LF 10 Fl,ü,G 1 Burg RFSC BR BF109G-12 160631 20
30 7 44 LF 10 NAG 102 Jüterbog-damm FP L BF BF109G-12 19317 20
31 9 44 LF 10 JG 101 Hohenpeissenberg BA MSTO BF109G-12 19734 10
31 5 44 LF Reich I JG103 Stolp-reitz FP Ger,v,L,ar96 BF109G-12 14945 80
200 4 44 LF Reich JG 102 Zerbst BR BF BF109G-12 14988 70
1X 8 44 LF 10 JG 104 Buchschwabach FP BF BF109G-12 16263 20
XX 8 44 LF 10 Fl,ü,G 1 Bayreuth FP Ü,Schl, L BF BF109G-12 110034 15
BF109G-12 13436 Jgr,Ost
BF109G-12 14966 JG110
BF109G-12 15206 JG110
BF109G-12 16154 II,ital,JGr,
BF109G-12 18419 II,ital,JGr,
BF109G-12 18637 16/8637 JGr,Ost
BF109G-12 19351 JG102
BF109G-12 19389
BF109G-12 19389 II EJG1
BF109G-12 19761
BF109G-12 160629 JGr,Ost
BF109G-12 160631 BQ+LV JGr,Ost
BF109G-12 162013 JG102
BF109G-12 162736 JGr,Ost
BF109G-12 163367 JGr,Nord
BF109G-12 163374 JG102
BF109G-12 163621
BF109G-12 330390
BF109G-12 402397
BF109G-12 402397
BF109G-12 19xx7

[ouidjat]

Hello Remi,

As for 15191 and 15206: What was the original plane? Bf 109G-4s, G-6s?? Any Stkz available for both planes?

Better: don't use Prien/Rodeike 15205/16000 Erla serial group to answer me since that's exactly where I think there's a "problem"... 15208 is NOT a G-6 based, but still a G-4.

Franck.

[Rasmussen]

The W.Nr. 15191 and 15206 were Bf 109G-4 trop.

Best wishes
Rasmussen