Oblot Max Dobislav claims 11.07.1940

[Witold K.]

Thank You heartly for all answeres. I'm just trying to undersand sequens of events that day. From times of Luftwaffe claims comes out there was combat wit Hurricanes (501 Sqn) and one and half hours latter clash with Spitfires (609 Sqn). From other side claims of 609 Sqn Blayney and Little differs an hour from JG 27 claims.
All the best

[Stig Jarlevik]

Well Witold

That is not how the British describe the combat.

Every description I see seems to have its own time frame, but if you read Chris initial answer, he also seems to be of the opinion it was one single combat, possibly stretched out a bit in time.

As you can see from the claims and losses, 609 Sq are those who make the claims. 501 Sq arrives slightly later, makes no claims since they are basically bounced immediately by JG 27.

A pretty good description, to me anyway, is found in Battle of Britain Combat Archive vol 1

Cheers
Stig

[Chris Goss]

Again don't forget on this date, UK was using BST (GMT+1) and Germans GST (GMT+2)

[Witold K.]

Thanks once again. Off course I remember obout time difference between German and British. And about narration in diffirent sources which really differs between each other. My knowlage of of the story of aerial fighting on 11 of july 1940 is mainly from Battle Over Britain by Francis K. Mason, which is pretty old. So if You allow me I 'll try to present here my vision of the morning course of action that day and You present your ojections.
Early in the mornig Luftwaffe reconnaissance discovered a convoy sailing across Lyme Bay. Luftflotte 3 sent a strike consisting of 6 Stuka from IV(Stuka)./LG 1 in escort of some 30 Bf 109 from III./JG 27. Over convoy were Hurricanes of Green Section 501 Sqn, which were vectored on incoming raid. On the way it was pounced by 7./JG 27 and at 09.03 German time Oblt Franzisket shot down a Hurricane of Sgt Dixon. While still S of Portland Bill raid was attacked again by 5 Spitfire from 609 Sqn, which lost 2 of their number, 1 may be both by Oblt Dobislav, Staka 9./JG 27. Puzling is time of his claim, or my info is wrong.
All the best

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Witold, Mason's book was amazing in his time but is now really old. If you're interested in the BoB, the Battle of Britain Combat Archive is certainly a must have.

Another option you have now (thanks to the COVID) is to download for free RAF squadrons ORB. You're "limited" to 100 files a month, but that is still enough to cover at least 50 month-squadrons combinations (usually two files per month, one for Form 540 and one for Form 541. When an unit is not operational, a file may cover several months of Form 540, while Form 541 does not exist).

[Chris Goss]

Witold:


Do 17 of 2.(F)/11 got airborne at 0555 hrs GST & spotted ships
44 Ju 87s of I & III./StG 2 got airborne at 0820 hrs GST to attack ships
8 Bf 109s of III./JG 27 got airborne at 0830 hrs GST to escort Stukas and reported combat with two Spitfires and three Hurricanes
III./JG 27 claimed a Hurricane at 0903 hrs GST and a Spitfire at 1053 hrs GST (I would say that the latter is a typo)
3 Hurricanes of 501 Sqn airborne at 0730 hrs BST, last surviving aircraft landing at 0915 hrs BST
5 Spitfires of 609 Sqn airborne at 0750 hrs BST survivors landing 0830 hrs BST

Only German loss was the Stuka of 9./StG 2 (which is probably Bernard Little's Ju 87 probable at 0805 hrs BST (which would match the first III./JG 27 claim of 0905 hrs GST)
Jarvis Blayney claimed a Bf 109 at 0805 hrs BST; none were lost


I think that this is pretty clear after 80 years. IV/LG 1 was not involved as I said earlier

[Witold K.]

Thank You all: Chriss, Stig, Laurent for your posts, it realy broadens my view on that day in Battke of Britain, which subject I'm interested from my youth. All the best.