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Old 10th September 2019, 23:47
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Re: French Biplane ID Wanted

Hello Stig,


I believe I've used the term impressment in a misleading fashion. Certainly I was only referring to 1939/40 and did not intend to refer to an earlier period.Possibly also impressment is not the correct term. I'm thinking of machines that already belonged to the french state and were on loan to the various aeroclubs.


As an example looking at the CJE work previously referred to by Graham on P.135 there is a photo of a Salmson D.6 Cricri W-634, previously F-ARFA. I am assuming that prior to entering military service it would have carried the civil registration but not the military matriculation. Or did they indeed carry both? If the Hanriot in the photo was also on loan from the french state is it perhaps possible that the H-227 although possibly used earlier in the aircraft's carrier was reapplied in 1940? Probably a futile question I suppose unless further work is undertaken on the subject of french military matriculations..


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Old 11th September 2019, 10:38
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Re: French Biplane ID Wanted

Well Clint

What can I say?
French aviation never cease to surprise me. I don't have that book, since I assumed it was a French text expansion of his earlier Camouflage and Markings Nr 1 French Air Force 1938-45.

Since I cannot recall any W prefixed codes I checked my copy and without really know the whole story about the buzz numbers (matricule militaire) none of the types listed in there carry any such prefix.

I can only assume that W was some kind of "slush" prefix issued post Sep 1939 for use by various impressed aircraft into Adl'A.

Maybe they actually started to impress aircraft in a quite orderly manner, in this W range, but when things got out of hand in May 1940 they simply commandeered everything in sight and just painted roundels over the civil registration?

Bottom line is that I don't know enough and the above is more guesswork than anything else. Sorry about that.

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Old 11th September 2019, 18:27
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Re: French Biplane ID Wanted

Pardon if my imperfect French is leading me astray, but I believe the book says that the system was abandoned in March 1940 for reasons of security.

Not having his earlier work, I don't know how much in the new work is different, but I suspect rather a lot. Presumably the story is recognisable between the two!
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Old 11th September 2019, 20:09
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Re: French Biplane ID Wanted

Thanks Graham

Presumably my French is even worse than yours, but if these matricule militaire numbers were cancelled in March it would explain why so many impressed aircraft from May does not carry anything else than their former civil register.

Another point to remember is that these numbers were basically only painted below the wings. OK to see if you have a high wing aircraft but whenever a biplane or low wing monoplane appears you will be lucky to see anything at all.

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