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Old 1st September 2019, 14:31
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F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

Hello everybody,

I am looking for information on the F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183 'Gold Coast', shot down by flak near Crecy (France) on 8 February 1944
Typhoon MN183

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Old 1st September 2019, 22:43
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

MN183 is also recorded as being lost on 26 September 1944 with Richard Ulick Williams aboard...... ??????
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Old 1st September 2019, 23:11
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

yes I think there is a mistake somewhere, in Norman Franks' book - Fighter Losses 1944-1945 it is well noted MN183, and in other places 26 September 1944 with Richard Ulick William

according to Norman Francks, Ulick had the MN130

there is confusion.....it's not easy.

https://backtonormandy.org/the-histo...3-4155251.html

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=MN183

http://www.caribbeanaircrew-ww2.com/...earch&paged=19

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Old 2nd September 2019, 00:25
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

What does the ORB say?

http://www.ww2irishaviation.com/TNA_...guidelines.pdf
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Old 2nd September 2019, 06:46
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

good idea, then in the AIR27 -1137-24
he gives the Typhoon JR183 - Pilot Lord
I have trouble understanding
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Old 2nd September 2019, 12:09
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

Chris Thomas in his book on the Typhoon and Tempest says MN183 8 Feb 44 and MN130 24 Sep 44
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Old 2nd September 2019, 12:54
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

I would say this is a typical case where we again can see how much more unreliable the ORBs are compared with the aircraft's recordcards

JR183 was in use by No 183 at the time. However it is known to have been transferred over to No 56 OTU and SOC 5 Oct 1946

MN183 had only one operational user, No 183 Sq and it was lost 8 Feb 1944

MN130 had previously been in use with two other users before transferring to No 183 Sq and shot down 26 Sep 1944 (i know you know that Chris, but your fingers seem not to have followed the instructions from your brain...plus C Thomas also wrote the 26th!)

I am not saying the record cards are the Bible, but if I have to make a choice I would almost always go with the record card and not the ORBs.

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Old 2nd September 2019, 17:44
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

...........more haste less speed. There are some historians who use the F540 as a bible but the F540 is only as good as the man writing it. Look at 213 Sqn in the Battle of Britain
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Old 2nd September 2019, 19:08
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

I don't have any experience as such with the RAF record cards Chris and I fully understand your point.

In aviation research nothing is Bible, it is up to the experience of the researcher to try and determine what is correct and what is not.

Human failure with regard to documentation is ever lasting...

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Old 2nd September 2019, 20:07
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Re: F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183

thank you very much for your help, it's not easy.....

so it's the MN183 :-)

do you have any information or others about the F/L R.B Lord of Squadron 183 ?

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