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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Johannes,
Working with Stalingrad and Eastern front I noted that many German aces used to mix plane types that they claim. Some cases were rather ridiculous. I remember one day Gemans claimed several I-180s that turned out to be P-40s, La-5s and even one I-16. Barkhorn, for instance, in November-December 1942 claimed several P-40 with no P-40 presented on that area at all. The question was it really that Germans did not bother of the types or that is connected with other reasons? Mixing the types of single-engine fighters such as Mig-3, Yak-1/7, Lagg-3 was a common practise among almost all... |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Hi
I thank you for all the information. Right now I`m building a colection of bios. of Luftwaffe pilots in Office Power Point, with born cities and i came accross with Leopold Múnster, pilot that somebody requested information and I`m able to send. |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Johannes, I would be interested in comparing lists. I haven't worked on mine for a while, but I have some 2900 with 5+ claims to go with 70K+ claims. PM me.
In the meantime - for 49 - 40 claims I have (in 2 parts) - Arnold, Heinz, Ofw., 49, JG 5, JG 7, DK?, MIA on 17-Apr-45. 7 w/Me262, O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Girbig, JG 5, Foreman/Harvey, Me262 Combat Diary; Boehme, JG 7 Koller, Heribert, Ofw., 49, JG 54, , , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; FB Müller, August, Ofw., 49, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 6-Apr-45. (Gustl? Gustav?), Aders/Held, JG 51 Stendel, Fritz, Hptm., 49, JG 51, JG 5, DKiG, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51 Toll, Günther, Ofw., 49, JG 2, JG 52, DKiG, WIA on 7-Jul-43 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Fast, JG 52, IV Seidel, Georg, Ofw., 47, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 6-Mar-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51 Müller, Xaver, Ofw., 47, JG 54, DKiG, KIA on 27-Aug-43 by Flak., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Scutts, JG 54; Barbas, Planes of the Luftwaffe Aces, II Tangermann, Kurt, Ltn., 46, JG 54, JG 52, JG 7, DKiG?, 304 ff, O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Boehme, JG7, Foreman/Harvey, Me262 Combat Diary Surau, Alfred, Ofw., 46, JG 3, DKiG, KIA 14-Oct-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien, III./JG 3 Daspelgruber, Franz, Oblt., 46, JG 3, DKiG, Stkp. MIA on 16-Jul-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien, IV./JG 3 Theimann, Wilhelm, Ofw., 45, JG 51, DKiG, MIA on 29-Jul-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51 Vinzent, Otto, Oblt., 45, JG 54, DKiG, KIA on 4-Jan-44., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Scutts, JG 54 Ratzlaff, Kurt, Ofw., 45, JG 52, DKiG, KIA on 29-Sep-42 after Luftkampf. FSA, shot in chute. (68 per Fast), O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.77 Föhl, Heinz, Ltn., 45, JG 52, , Is this legit? No claims via docs yet., Fast, JG 52 Mai, Lothar, Ofw., 45, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 27-Aug-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Aders/Held, JG 51 Frese, Hans, Ltn., 44, JG 3, DKiG, Stfhr. KIA on 8-Mar-44 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3; Prien/Stemmer, Stab und I./JG 3 Reinhardt, Hans-Günther, Fw., 44, JG 54, JG 1, DKiG, WIA on 8-Oct-43 due to Luftkampf with B-17s., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien/Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, I Quante, Richard, Fw., 44, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 14-Aug-42 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51 Dettke, Alfred, Fw., 44, JG 54, DKiG, KIA on 5-Jan-43 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock Stolte, Paul-August, Hptm., 43, JG 54, JG 1, JG 3, DKiG, KIA on 18-Oct-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3 Miksch, Alfred, Fw., 43, JG 3, JG 1, DKiG, KIA on 1-Dec-43 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11 Decker, Otto, Oblt., 43, JG 52, DKiG, Stkp. KIA on 27-Aug-42 by Flak., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.73 Niese, Erhard, Oblt., 43, I(J)/LG 2, JG 77, JG 4, DKiG, Stkp. KIA on 18-Feb-45 in crash., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien, JG 77, IV |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Gentlemen,
According to some sources,Hermann Segatz had seven US four-motor bombers among his 40 air kills. He had about five air kills during the Battle of Britain. His Western air kills are almost about equal to his Soviet ones. I maybe wrong. I kind of was surprised that Segatz wasn't awarded the Knight's Cross after his death. Sincerely, Edward L. Hsiao |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Gentlemen,
Oberfeldwebel Kurt Fritz Celtjen had 54 victories by August 1943 when he was wounded in action. He was a DKiG winner of 5/JG-54. His score maybe higher when he recovered. I had been looking at Kracker Archives lately. Some other sources had put Oberfeldwebel Wilhelm Theimann of JG-51 at about 55 victories. A DKiG winner. Sincerely, Edward L. Hsiao |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Hi Eduard
I can find no claims at all for Celtjeh, plus no DKiG......A phantom. With Theimann DKiG was awarded 31st March 1943 after twenty-seven confirmations, total forty-two in the East. D.O.B 13th January 1920. Segatz DKiG on 25th September 1942 after twenty-eight confirmations, Total thirty-three confirmed: 20 in East, 13 West including four heavy bombers. D.O.B 29th June 1917......also at least three unconfirmed...including two heavies. Regards Johannes |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
And for the 2nd part -
Hannig, Norbert, Ltn., 42, JG 54, JG 7, DKiG, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Scutts, JG 54; Boehme, JG 7 Haala, Sigurd, Oblt., 42, JG 54, DKiG, Stkp. POW on 21-Aug-44 due to Flak., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock Plücker, Karl-Heinz, Oblt., 42, JG 52, DKiG, Stkp. KIA on 10-May-44 due to Flak., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Barbas, I./JG 52; Fast, JG 52, IV, p. 124 Gabl, Josef, FhjOfw., 42, JG 51, DKiG, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Aders/Held, JG 51 Reinhold, Gerhard, Ofw., 41+, JG 5, JG 7, DKiG, KIA on 4-Apr-45. 250~ ff, Girbig, JG 5; Boehme, JG 7; Foreman/Harvey, Me262 Combat Diary Saborowski, Rudolf, Ofw., 41, JG 3, DKiG, KIA on 8-Jul-42 due to Luftkampf with Pe-2 and MiG-3., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien, III./JG 3 Schneider, Gerhard, Ltn., 41, JG 51, JGr.Ost, DKiG, KIA on 5-Jan-44., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Aders/Held, JG 51 Boos, Hans, Oblt., 41, JG 3, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 21-Apr-43 in Luftkamp., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51 Schwarz, Günther, Fw., 40~, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 24-Oct-43 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51 Segatz, Hermann, Hptm., 40, JG 26, JG 51, JG 5, JG 1, DKiG, KIA on 8-Mar-44 due to Luftkampf., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, II; Aders/Held, JG 51; Girbig, JG 5 Hessel, Bernhard, Fw., 40, JG 51, DKiG, MIA on 2-Sep-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Aders/Held, JG 51 Heitkamp, Walter, Ofw., 40, JG 52, DKiG, KIC 7-Apr-43. (28 doc.), O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Barbas, I./JG 52; Fast, JG 52 Schütte, Josef, Ofw., 40, JG 3, DKiG, KIA on 4-Dec-43 due to Luftkampf with P-47s., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3 Lausch, Bernard, Ofw., 40, JG 51, DKiG, KIA on 4-Jul-42., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Aders/Held, JG 51 Bremer, Peter, Fw., 40, JG 54, DKiG, POW on 13-Jul-43., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Scutts, JG 54 Seckel, Georg, Hptm., 40, JG 77, JGr. 200, JG 4, DKiG, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Prien/Bock; Prien, JG 77, III, IV Hähnlein, Georg, Ltn., 40, JG 54, , KIA on 25-Aug-44., O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Scutts, JG 54 |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
No loss for a Kurt Celtjen either.
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Gentlemen,
I still need to study the information of these successful aces from these posts. Sincerely, Edward L. Hsiao |
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Re: Birth/Death details of non Ritterkreuz 50+ aces
Hi Edward
Hans Ellendt now fifty-eight confirmed claims. He died on 25th May 2007. In 1945 tanks were counted as aircraft(however I don't count them......they didn't fly), so Ellendt claimed fifty-six before being wounded on 28th December 1943, then returned to combat in 1945 and claimed two more aircraft, and four tanks. He claimed much Russian material on the ground during 1942-1943. Manfred Eberwein is still living, but has been very ill for quite some time. Kind Regards Johannes |
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