Losses of Ju 52 09/ 1943

[Karsten]

Hi all,

in the course of evacuation of Korsika, the german iarforce lost 18 Ju 52 betwwen 21. - 24. 09 1943. Additional 6 Ju 52 were damaged.
Has anybody more informations?

Regards Rüdiger

[Jim P.]

Ju 52/3mg8e, 130226, n.n., , I., I., TG 4, , , CL+KF, , 21-Sep-43, Landing accident., , Lw.Kdo.Südost//Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21, Menke, Fl.Pl. Agrinion, 10%, H, , , Junkers Flzg.Werke Bernburg
Ju 52/3m, , Buchweitz, Fw. Walter, , III., III., TG 2, , , , , 22-Sep-43, WIA due to enemy fire. Bm & Bs also WIA., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , südwestlich Capraia, b, F, Bm Uffz. Wilhelm Fett & Bs Gefr. Kurt Kruse, ,
Ju 52/3mge, 5057, Reinhold, Fw. Günther, , III., III., TG 2, , 8T+KU, KB+AB, , 23-Sep-43, WIA due to enemy fire. Crashed at sea. Crew returned, Bm also WIA., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21, , (Kapraia Gorgona-Pisa), 100%, F, Bf Fw. Ernst Schüler, Bm Uffz. Helmut Kegel & Bs Uffz. Walter Schmied, ,
Ju 52/3m, 5531, Knoller, Ltn. Franz, , III., III., TG 2, , 8T+AU, VA+DO, , 23-Sep-43, MIA due to enemy fire. Crashed at sea. Bm also MIA, Bf & Bs KIA., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21, , Ort unbekannt, 100%, F, Bf Ogefr. Kurt Peter, Bm Fw. Arnold Aul & Bs Gefr. Horst Lauriant, , Junkers Flzg.Werke Dessau
Ju 52/3m, 7593, Martin, Fw. Dieter, , III., III., TG 2, , 8T+AV, NB+GQ, , 23-Sep-43, Crashed at sea due to enemy fire. F and Bs returned, Bm KIA., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Nowarra, Junkers Ju 52, p.212, , (Kapraia Gorgona-Pisa), 100%, F, Bm Ogefr. Peter Thaler & Bs Uffz. Heinz Sieker, ,
Ju 52/3mg8e, 500162, n.n., , II., II., TG 2, , , DJ+RD, , 23-Sep-43, Enemy fire. Bf WIA., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , (Borgo-Pisa), 100%, F, Bf Fw. Cremeck, , ATG Flzg.Werke Leipzig-Mockau
Ju 52/3mg6e, 3017, n.n., , III., 10., TG 2, , 4V+MP, BJ+YR, H 2 M, 24-Sep-43, Crashed at sea due to enemy fire. Crew rescued., Transportfliegerführer 1 strength report dated 19-July-43., Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Kössler, Transporter-wer kennt sie schon!, p.43; Nowarra, Junkers Ju 52, p.214, , (Kapraia Gorgona-Pisa), 100%, F, , , ATG Flzg.Werke Leipzig-Mockau
Ju 52/3m, 3315, ??????mann, Hptm. Ernst, , III., III., TG 4, , , KI+LX, , 24-Sep-43, Stkp. WIA due to enemy destroyer (Zerstörer). Bf also WIA., Names handwritten - unreadable., Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , nördlich Elba, 100%, F, Bf Fw. Rudolf ???????, ,
Ju 52/3m, 5259, Backer, Fw. Hans, , II., 5., TG 1, , 1Z+IN, , , 24-Sep-43, MIA due to enemy fighters. B, Bf & Bs also MIA, Bm WIA., B from Erg.Gr.f.Fallsch.Kampfbeob. Freiburg., Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/777, Flzg.Unfälle bei Schulen und usw., p.24; BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/784, Flzg.Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.202, , Elba-Korsika, 100%, F, B Uffz. Walter Schlegel, Bf Fw. Hans Buchholz, Bm Gefr. Walter Jansche & Bs Gefr. Erich Weidner, ,
Ju 52/3m, 6622, n.n., , IV., III., TG 2, , 4V+ES?, TS+BT, , 24-Sep-43, Enemy fire. Destroyed by own troops., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , Porto Ferraio, 100%, F, , ,
Ju 52/3mg5e, 7015, Schild, Ofw. Gerhard, , III., 11., TG 2, , 8T+FV, VC+ZQ, , 24-Sep-43, WIA due to enemy fire. Crashed at sea., Zerstörerbeschuß per crossed out loss., Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Salonen via TOCH on 17-Sep-12, , (Kapraia Gorgona-Pisa), 100%, F, , , Junkers Flzg.Werke Bernburg
Ju 52/3mg8e, 7446, n.n., , II., II., TG 1, , , RF+GN, , 24-Sep-43, Enemy fire., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , westlich Elba, 100%, F, , ,
Ju 52/3m, 7554, n.n., , II., II., TG 2, , , DG+KD, , 24-Sep-43, Enemy fire. Bf and Bs WIA., Transportfliegerführer 1 strength report dated 19-July-43., Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; Kössler, Transporter-wer kennt sie schon!, p.47; Nowarra, Junkers Ju 52, p.212, , Elba-Korsika, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Himler & Bs Ogefr. König, ,
Ju 52/3mg8e, 7762, n.n., , , II., TG 1, , , DI+RL?, , 24-Sep-43, Enemy fire., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , westlich Elba, 100%, F, , ,
Ju 52/3m, 8784, Kittke, Ofw. Walter, , III., III., TG 2, , 8T+KW, , , 24-Sep-43, KIA due to enemy fire. Crashed at sea. Rest of crew returned WIA., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21, , (Kapraia Gorgona-Pisa), 100%, F, Bf Fw. Ernst Kühn, Bm Uffz. Hans Reymann & Bs Uffz. Hermann Schulz, ,
Ju 52/3mg10e, 10018, Negele, Uffz., , II., II., TG 2, , , NI+MQ?, , 24-Sep-43, KIA due to enemy fire. Bf also KIA, Bm WIA., , Lfl.2/Transportverbände/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , Elba-Korsika, 100%, F, Bf Ogefr. Peter & Bm Ogefr. Jäger, ,

[Stig Jarlevik]

Not my question but a very nice listing Jim

Thanks a lot

B Rgds
Stig

[Jim P.]

Stig, these are the Gen.Qu. losses for that date range in the Med. I presume many of them would qualify as "Corsica" losses. As I'm sure you know, the German listed losses don't always match the locations as we would expect. And if the LW was bugging out of Corsica, many losses may not have been reported in the usual sources - particularly if there were no crew casualties. I don't know if they exist, but in that circumstance the Allied captured aircraft reports might list machines that got left behind. Those I don't have - still looking for them myself.

[RT]

Hello Jim,

Probably that one,Ju 52/3m, 8784, is 6748 ! From HW5 docs

Stig,

If still any interest on the "History" of Corse , try to get a hand on the HW5 355 to 360

Rémi

[Jim P.]

Rémi, that would certainly make more sense. The WNr. 8784 stands out like a sore thumb in my database being the only Ju 52 WNr. that begins 87xx.

Thanks for the update. I need to get me some of them HW5 materials.