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Old 13th October 2020, 20:09
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Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of Pussmoth TD+IL at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Militar...QAAOSw6NNfbwId

Does anyone know where this machine originated?



Circumstantial information inclines me to believe that this machine is the ex- DE-EDEQ which was based in Saxony at Dresden, so not far from Oschatz. Also there is a partial W.Nr 68 (?) so possibly Wnr 2068.



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Clint

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Old 13th October 2020, 20:57
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Re: Photo Pussmoth TD+IL

Clint

This time I am pretty certain it is actually a DH 85 Leopard Moth.
Check the wheel struts....

The c/n is written on the fin, but the resolution is not good enough to see what it says.

There were 132 built before the war and one after
Quite a few went to France and the low countries, so unless you buy the photo or ask the buyer you will have a problem with this one.

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Old 13th October 2020, 21:01
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Re: Photo Pussmoth TD+IL

Hi Stig,


Stig, contrary to my initial reply I still think the aircraft is a DH.80A Puss Moth,for the reasons outlined in the additions to my first post. So I've amended both this post and the intial post and title again. Unless I canbe convinced that we're looking at a Leopard Moth.Apologies for the frequent edits.Amended again. Thanks for your evidence. Its a Leopard Moth.

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Old 14th October 2020, 13:35
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

Hi

In Feb. 1943 this plane belonged to FFS A/B 61, located in Oschatz.

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Old 14th October 2020, 14:00
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

This is a DH85 trust me - the W/Nr 69 is part of the maker's construction No 7069 - issued as sold to France as F-AMYS
Can you please tell me where is the source for this being as FFS(A/B)61 and the date Feb.1943. On the reverse of the photo it is marked as Oschatz but the date is very unclear. Any ideas?
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Old 14th October 2020, 14:52
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

Tom

I believe the date is 27 May 1941

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Old 14th October 2020, 19:19
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

Flugbuch Helmut Stiller February 1943 FFS(A/B) 61
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Old 15th October 2020, 10:58
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

Hi


I along with Stig alerted Malcolm Filmore (expert on DH 85) to the existance of this pghoto
He offers an alternastive to F-AMYS as follows:_


c/n 7094 (Gipsy Major #5941) CofA 4712 issued 4.3.35 to JEF de Kok. Regd PH-FDK [CofR 217] 12.3.35 to JEF de Kok, [director of Royal Dutch Shell], The Hague (based Waalhaven). Regd 7.9.37 to NV National Luchtvaart School, Ypenburg. Impressed into LVA as 963 9.39. Badly damaged in bombing Ypenburg 10.5.40; regn cld 7.9.40. On rebuild by NLS 8.40-4.41. Shipped to Germany 5.41.

So it was 963 with Dutch Forces, it should also be noted that TD+IL was also issued to Go 241A-1 021 so my question is can anyone say what was the build date for the Go 242?

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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

Tony

I thought you had Barry Rosch's production list.
According to that, WNr 0021 was built/delivered in May 1941, ie basically at the same time as 'our' Leopard was photographed.

And, yes I notified Malcolm. An opportunity for him not to be missed.

Will send you the list straight away.
BTW Rosch does not list any TD+IL at all, he has only WNr 0031 fixed as TD+IU plus others in the same range without any WNrs attached.

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Old 15th October 2020, 12:04
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

Thanks Stig
Barry lists 021 as :_


2./LLG 2 dam 90% 16.2.43 at Bagerovo (Bagerowo), Russia, hit obstruction when landing

So possibly the DH 85 took over the stkz and this lines up with Helmut Stiller FB

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