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Old 10th April 2017, 18:47
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Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

Trying to find out the crew names and unit the Ju. 88 came from which shot Taylor and Parfit down.
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Re: Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

Andy: Can you confirm a location and or time? Wasn't it a recce machine 3/123 or 1/123?
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Re: Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

Take off time was 7.30 a.m., Area: St Nazaire - Ushant

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Re: Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

Andy-what does the F540 say as if could link to a 2/106 loss?
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Re: Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

Have you tried the Admiralty War Diaries on Fold3.com? They generally comment on air activity over Biscay.

Also, there may be something in TNA HW13/30, "GNA [=German Naval Air Activity] Vol. IV, Sept 9 1941-Mar 31 1942". This series consists of daily summaries based on Y-intercepts, ULTRA, RAF crews' reports and POW intelligence. They were generally issued 24 or 48 hours after the event concerned.
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Re: Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

ORB says Sgts.Taylor/Parfit took off 0730hrs to escort secret force returning from from St. Nazaire, they ran into a nest of Ju88s and attacked one which blew up taking Taylor's Beau. down into the sea. A quick look at GQM only showed the KFG106 Ju88 of Oblt Raymund Schoelke lost this day over Bay of Biscay.

Full crew list for Ju 88 A-4 8514 M2+Mk FF Oblt Raymund Schoelke, B Ogef Ewald Hummert, Bf Uffz Rainer Andersen, Bs Uffz Walter Zischler all missing - GQM report dated 31-3-1942 page 4

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Sounds like the 2/106 loss matches
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Re: Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

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Andy-what does the F540 say as if could link to a 2/106 loss?
Hi Chris,

Piss poor connection at the In-Laws P540 say's little other than the two guys were on their 1st operation to escort secret force and failed to return to base.

Glover sighted 115 on 5th sortie gave chase for two minutes.

Pike sighted 115 on sixth sortie - attacked (no exact time given) unobserved results - another or perhaps the same 115 sighted and attacked return fire hitting G-George on port side and cockpit area.
Searched for 115 for a few minutes then returned to base. Petrol shortage crash landed at St Eval.

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Have you tried the Admiralty War Diaries on Fold3.com? They generally comment on air activity over Biscay.

Also, there may be something in TNA HW13/30, "GNA [=German Naval Air Activity] Vol. IV, Sept 9 1941-Mar 31 1942". This series consists of daily summaries based on Y-intercepts, ULTRA, RAF crews' reports and POW intelligence. They were generally issued 24 or 48 hours after the event concerned.
Cheers for this Nick, completely for got about Fold3 unfortunately under time constraints so won't be able to get to TNA Kew.

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Re: Junker 88s combat with 236 Beau 28March42

See also London Gazette page 4637 item 35 - http://www.airrecce.co.uk/downloads/St%20Nazaire.pdf gives time of Ju88/Beau crash as approx 0820 hrs
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