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Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
According to Norman Hancock there were six 1 Squadron pilots in action over the Lancastria on 17 June 1940.
I have Hancock, Berry and Goodman. Can anyone confirm the other 3? Mark.
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
Strange that no book that I have notes more than 3 pilots - & only the names of two??
Norman Hancock............not Patrick?? = Tim |
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
Hi Tim,
Actually his full name seems to be: Norman Patrick Watkins Hancock. He did an interview for the Imperial War Museum which you can find here: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80009900 In it he mentions that there were 6 pilots patrolling. Brian Cull gave me the other 3 names: Peter Boot, Peter Matthews, and Bob Rutter. They would have been in 2 groups of 3, Berry leading one of them. I have no idea who was leading the other, or how the other pilots were distributed. Mark
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
N P W Hancock was always known as Pat. He was Sec of the BofB Fighter Association. Thoroughly nice chap long gone & sadly missed.
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
He & Pete were my best friends.
So strange no mention in books. = Tim Last edited by timothy; 30th January 2013 at 14:26. |
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
I guess he liked Pat better than Norm. Someone should enlighten the IWM.
Chris , I envy you meeting him, he sounds like a nice guy on the interview. Tim, great pictures. Can you name everyone in the first one? I can get some of them by comparison with the second one. BTW, from which book is the second picture and what date is the first? Mark
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
Names - all in the 2nd photo? Ignoring Kuttelwasher & Novak.Here's a better one.
Book. No 1 Squadron by Michael Shaw. But here it is from sqn archives. Pat - a nice photo of him plus a fly past by us & 226. = Tim PS 17th October, 1940 at Wittering. OK?? PPS - oh, note Bill Berry in the text - has to be Fred?? |
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
563426 Flight Sergeant Frederick George Berry
While checking this detail I found another reference to a downed German at the time of the Lancastria: Public Record Air 2/9456 This NCO has been with the squadron since the beginning of the war in September 1939 and has taken part in many of the combats of the squadron. Since the middle of May 1940, when the experienced members of the squadron were replaced by newcomers, he has led Sections on many occasions and often led his Flight on patrols and in combats against the enemy. On 17th June 1940, whilst leading a Section on patrol over St. Nazaire to cover the embarkation of the BEF, he attacked and shot down an enemy bomber which was about to attack one of the troop ships. Another member of his Section also forced down another bomber from the same formation. Mark
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The answer to life the universe and everything = 42 Last edited by MarkRS; 15th July 2012 at 22:09. Reason: Typo |
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
Amazing what perseverance can produce?
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Re: Pilots 1 Squadron 17 June 1940
There are now three strong references to a JU88 being forced down, not shot down. Air 2/9456, Neil Campbell, and George Goodman who did the forcing. There are other, less credible references as well. The question is, why is there no corresponding German loss?
Mark
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