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Old 6th December 2010, 15:53
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INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

Hi,

Could anyone provide information over the loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber. Hwas killed in an airdeath on the 31st December 1941.

I believe he was a fighter pilot with JG52 and was killed 3km south of Merkutschewa in Russia.

Can you provide details about his aircraft and how he was killed.

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Old 6th December 2010, 18:29
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

1-1-1942 bei Wjasna Crash due to icing of Fw 58 2184 of I/JG52 on an 'H' flight - Ff Uffz Bernhard Sareiake, B Ltn Siegfried Wikesek, Bm Uffz Johann Bauhuber, Bf Uffz Walter Kuhn all killed.
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Old 6th December 2010, 20:11
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

Thanks Brian but what is an 'H Flight'?

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Old 6th December 2010, 21:06
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

Hi Rick,

The loss returns define a flight by 'F' for Feindflug which is an operational/combat flight or mission, or 'H' for Heimat flight which is a training ,exercise, or transfer flight. So this flight could have been something like a communication flight,

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Old 4th January 2012, 14:13
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

Hi,

Bauhuber was an experienced flier with medals and missions over Pol;and, France, England and Russia. Was he wounded and on ambulance flight or was he instructor?

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Old 4th January 2012, 16:48
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

Brian

Barbas has quite different spelling of two of the involved pilots.
Uffz Bernhard Serzisko
Lt Siegfried Mikosek

He also lists Walter Kuhn as a Fw.

Were there only two types of flying at the front, F and H? To me what first springs to mind by using the term Heimat flight is that this is a flight home to have some leave.

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Old 4th January 2012, 21:20
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

In NVM the names are Mikosek and Serzisko.

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Old 4th January 2012, 22:27
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

Hi Matti,

I guess an NVM outclasses the GQM for spelling of names, does the NVM indicate if these two were ethnic German, or allies serving in the Luftwaffe,

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Old 5th January 2012, 00:32
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

In general, sorties designated as 'H' - Heimat basically refer to a non-combat flight as someone stated earlier - the literal translation of 'home' isn't applicable. It appears to apply to any training, courier, airfield orientation or other such type of flight where there was no expectation of contact with the enemy. On the other hand any standard patrol, escort or sortie where there existed potential for contact with the enemy might be expected were designated as 'F' - Feindflug. With the Schulen losses such flights where there may be contact with the enemy were designated as a flight type of 'E'. I haven't figured that one out yet. For general Schule flights there so no designation as far as the losses are concerned. It is, or can be, confusing.
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Old 5th January 2012, 21:38
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Re: INformation concerning the Loss of Uffz. Johann Bauhuber - 31.12.1941

Thanks everyone who responded to my statements, and especially Brian who sent me a scan from his vast collection.

Looking at the document he works from, I can readily understand his problems but in this case I have to agree that NVM clerks probably were more careful than GQM with regard to spelling, but on the other hand, what do I know?...

With regard to the Heimat flight I seem to be overruled by experience ( ) and accept that such flights not necessarily ment homeward bound trips. However since the crew were four pilots, I don't think it was an ordinary routine flight, but it feels better to fit into an resupply flight to bring back more frontline Bf's from some rear area depot.

Thanks again Guys
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