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Old 7th January 2005, 04:26
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Hptm. Werner Thierfelder - Gruppenkommandeur II./ZG 26 ?

Was Hauptmann Werner Thierfelder in command of II./ZG 26 when in Russia in winter of 1941-42? Could someone in the know list all the Kommodoren and Kommandeure of ZG 26 and SKG 210 (ZG 1) during their stay in Russia? My sources don't match
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Old 8th January 2005, 13:58
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Hmmmmm, no one? :?
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Old 8th January 2005, 15:08
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check here

Not complete, but a start:

http://www.ww2.dk/articles/grupkz.htm

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Old 11th January 2005, 02:34
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I have one more urgent question. Was Hptm. Johannes Freiherr von Richthofen Staffelkapitaen of 5./ZG 26 or 6./ZG 26? :?
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Re: Hptm. Werner Thierfelder - Gruppenkommandeur II./ZG 26 ?

Lagarto:

1. I have a list for all Commanding officers of ZerstorerWaffe for 1939-45. It is 90% completed. Contact me offboard, I will share needed info.

2. He was StaKa of 6./ZG26.
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Old 4th June 2010, 22:59
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Re: Hptm. Werner Thierfelder - Gruppenkommandeur II./ZG 26 ?

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Re: Hptm. Werner Thierfelder - Gruppenkommandeur II./ZG 26 ?

A search of our files was not very helpful in resolving who was Kdr. of II./ZG 26 on the winter of 1941/42 but the implication was that it was most likely Johannes Shalk or possibly Ralph von Rettberg. Regarding Thierfelder, we have:

THIERFELDER, Werner.
(DOB: 24.12.15 in Berlin).
09.39 in II./ZG 26.
10.10.41 Oblt., awarded Ritterkreuz, Staka in II./ZG 26.
03.11.42 Oblt., awarded DKG, 5./ZG 2.
22.04.43 Oblt. in ZG 26, ordered to RLM (Stab/Gen.d.Jagdflieger – L.In.3) for temporary duty.
09.06.43 Oblt., permanently trf to RLM (Stab/Gen.d.Jagdflieger – L.In.3).
15.12.43 Hptm., appt Leiter (Führer) Erprobungskommando 262 at Lechfeld (to 18.07.44).
[06.44 Kdr. III./ZG 26] - perhaps
18.07.44 Hptm., KIA – in Me 262 crash near Lechfeld while attempting to intercept a U.S. bomber formation over South Germany; this was the first operational loss of an Me 262 jet.
Credited with 27 air victories plus 41 more destroyed on the ground.


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Re: Hptm. Werner Thierfelder - Gruppenkommandeur II./ZG 26 ?

Doug:

Quote:
most likely Johannes Shalk or possibly Ralph von Rettberg.
Stab./ZG26 01.10.1940-24.09.1941 Oberst Johann Schalk (Stab was renamed Stab/NJG3)
Stab II./ZG26 11.04.1940-21.02.1942 Hptm. Ralph von Rettberg


All info that I have on duties of Werner Thierfelder, #2 Zerstorer ace:

Lt. Werner Thierfelder in Stab I./ZG26, 9.1939-18.7.1941
Oblt. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 1./ZG26, 19.07.1941-07.08.1941
Oblt. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 6./ZG26, 07.08.1941-31.04.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder in Stab./ZG2, 31.04.42-01.07.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 4./ZG 2, 01.07.1942-08.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 5./ZG 2, 08.1942-09.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder in Rechlin, evaluation of Me.410, the He.219, the Ju.88G and the Ar.440, 09.1942 - 15.12.43
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder KdoFu Erprobungskommando 262 15.12.43 - 22.6.44
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder KdoFu+Gr.Kdr. Erprobungskommando 262 (+III./ZG26 wich was equipping with Me262) 6.44 - 18.7.44, KiA
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Old 6th June 2010, 05:23
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Re: Hptm. Werner Thierfelder - Gruppenkommandeur II./ZG 26 ?

Yevgeny,

I'm a bit confused on these dates:

Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 4./ZG 2, 01.07.1942-06.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 5./ZG 2, 06.1942-09.1942

Also, concidering the fact that he his supposed to have claimed 27 air victories, I have never found any specific details on any of his claims. Can anyone provide some?

Thanks,
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