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Josef Bigge:about his claims
Hello
In my research on the 8/JG2,I have a"little" problem about the numbering of his "abchusse" according to the sources that J have. 29/08/41=1 spit "n.b" source J.Prien (JVD teil 5)...yet real 17/09/41=1 spit (1.) source J.Prien (JVD teil 5) 07/01/42=1 spit (2.) source J.Prien (JVD teil 7) 05/04/43=1 spit ( )source T.Wood 11/04/43=1 spit ( )source T.Wood 16/04/43=1 B-24( ) source T.Wood 03/05/43=1 spit "n.b." source J.Prien yet real 14/07/43=1? ( )source TOCH (according J.Prien) 14/07/43=1? ( )source TOCH (according J.Prien) 15/08/43=1 Lancaster (6.) source T.Boiten(Nachtjagd combat archive 1943,part 2) 06/09/43=1 B-17 ( )source T.Wood So? thanks in advance Michel |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Hi Michel
Seems that Bigge had as many unconfirmed claims as confirmed. Please find attached. Kind Regards JohannesAttachment 17976 |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Hi Johannes
Sorry,but can not open the file with my PC:my software blocks the opening of it! Michel |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Took the liberty
. Last edited by Snautzer; 30th September 2019 at 11:15. |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Hello Michel,
in JFV Vol. 5, 7 and 10/IV the following victories of Josef Bigge are listed: 14/08/41 Spitfire not confirmed 29/08/41 Spitfire not confirmed 17/09/41 Spitfire 1 07/01/42 Spitfire 2 05/04/43 Spitfire 3 11/04/43 Spitfire 4 16/04/43 B-24 5 01/05/43 B-17 not confirmed 03/05/43 Spitfire not confirmed 14/07/43 B-17 6 14/07/43 B-17 7 15/08/43 Lancaster 8 24/08/43 B-17 e.V. (= endgültige Vernichtung / final destruction) 06/09/43 B-17 9. Regards Leo |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Hello
Thank you guys for your sending. I have some remarks to submit to you. J.Prien If the date of 03/05 is good,then the claim is justified. (6.)(7.) 14/07/43=2 B-17...strange,very doubtfull statement because if these were claimed at the S.E. of Paris (Johannes):it's unfounded. The only B-17 shot down in that region is 42-3049 (305°BG) crashed "Lieusaint" (10km.Melun),claimed by Oblt.von Lubich (JG105). The other B-17 shot down in the E.of Paris (not S.E) is 42-3071 (94°BG) crashed "Louvres" (Goussainville) claimed by Fw.von Farnholz and Obl.Eder. I list 6 "abschusse"(as Johannes) but with a small difference in date and not 9 as J.Prien and co. (1.)17/09/41=Spit (54°Sqd.W3653 or R3701/or 602°Sqd.W3642 or 609°Sqd,serial? P/O J.Atkinson (2.)05/04/43=Spit (129°Sqd.AR527 or 616°Sqd.BS465) "overclaiming"(four claims by 8/JG2) (3.)11/04/43=Spit (602°Sqd.EE633 or 65°Sqd.EE628) (4.)16/04/43=B-24 (93°BG 41-24122 or 41-23732) (5.)03/05/43=Spit (310°Sqd.EN960) (6.)15/08/43=Lancaster (467°Sqd.ED998) The "claim" of 06/09/43 is unfounded (Prien.Wood.Johannes):no B-17 shot down in the S.O.Tours. Michel |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Hi Michel
Just a heads-up, Jochen Prien's 6./JG2 data is all mixed-up for Afrikan publication, the details are correct, but not the names, assume Tony's list is correct. Kind Regards Johannes |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Did Josef Bigge survived World War II?
Edward L. Hsiao |
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Yes but he is no longer with us
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Re: Josef Bigge:about his claims
Edward, he died in 2013.
Is it known if his Abschussmeldungen (guess I wrote correctly now) survived ? It is very sad that Germany (Bundesarchiv) does not have those documents digitalized like we can find some RAF Combat Reports at NARA. Am particularly interested in one of his combats. A. Baumgartner |
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