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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
Adriano
To continue with what Griehl states, he lists the M production to appx 485 aircraft including the prototype. At the same time he gives WNr blocks as follows: 2801 - 2901 6001 - 6400 56001- 56200 322701-326300 722701-722800 It is easy to see they are either wrong or there must be huge black out gaps in there, somewhere. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
The 6001 to 6400 (not certain that these went that high?) but as far as I understand should be listed as 56.001 to 56.200. So could No 67 be 56.067?
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
I see Tom
What you are saying is that Griehl duplicated one batch by not giving them their correct WNr? Interesting! In such a case, the two batches 322xxx and 722xxx ranges also look a bit suspect, with only an initial 3 or 7 keeping them apart. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
That's my table of the Do 217M production, put together from losses, test flights and photos:
M V1 1230 M-0 1241 -1245 M-1 40701 -40795 M-1 47100 -47106 M-1 56001 -56196 M-1 326200 -326360 M-1 326396 -326475 M-1 722727 -722754 M-1 722842 -722899 M-1 722926 -722990 M-1 723015 -723037 M-11 723038 -723180 Two similar decorated ones as that plane from the photo were WNr.56057 lost by 9./KG 2 on 12.07.43 and WNr. 56054 lost by 8./KG 2 on 16.08.43. The "67" was to my opinion WNr. 56067 operated by 9./KG 2 (due to the small yellow spinner tip) during spring and summer 1943. On 28.08.43 it was taken over by 12./KG 2 and became lost by that unit as U5+DW on 16.04.44.
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
Wow Gerhard
Hats off to that list!! It sure updates what Griehl wrote many years ago. Looks like I was correct being suspicious about the 322xxx range. Also well done, Tom, you also got it right. Thanks again Gerhard!! Cheers Stig |
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
Hi Gerhard,
Thank you for the informative listing. Am I correct that about forty of the M-1s within the 40701 to 40795 range were converted to Do 217 K-3s? Respectfully, Steve Sheflin |
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
Gents,
This photo looked familiar to me and going through my files I found four other photos of this Do 217 M-1 machine and event. The aircraft’s V.-kenn. – U5+ge.DW – and last two digits of the Werknummer – ‘67’ – are clearly visible, thus matching Gerhard’s identification of it being WNr.56067 of 12./KG 2. I do not have my copy of U. Balke's book at hand to determine the date of the 1000 flights ceremony. I tried reducing the size of the images to a size acceptable for inclusion here, but in doing so their resolution was compromised. If anyone want's copies - (they being from a long-expired Ebay sale), please let me know. Gerhard, thanks for sharing your research! Cheers, David
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
Steve,
the Do 217K-3 were new build aircraft with numbers 4701 to 4752.
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
Dear Gerhard, Steve, David, Stig and all
Firstly sorry for the long delay. Weekends are pretty busy with a kid of 3 and I rarely do have time to sit and write alone. Your matching of the werknummer is amazing. Do have no words to express my gratitude. This is a topic (Dornier Do 217) and subject I have no references at home (apart a book about KG 100). Gerhard, would you have the crew names of U5+DW lost on 16th April 1944? I will try to match the RAF possible claim. DAVID: I would like to have a look at the pictures you mentioned about either the 1,000 Flight or the U5+DW mentioned. Would you be able to share them here: baumgartner_asv@yahoo.com.br AGAIN I am in debt with you all who enlighted me with a knowledge and DATA I was not familiar or unable to obtain. My gratitude. Adriano S. Baumgartner, ASV 00.344 |
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Re: Dornier Do 217 M, werknummer 3867
It would appear U5+DW crashed 33 km NE of Melun due to an accident on a training flight; Fw Friedrich Koch, Fw Alois Hochstadter, Uffz Helmut Paul & Gefr Heinz Schlunke all killed
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