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Old 31st May 2006, 23:24
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Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Hi,

Can anyone provide information on unit, other crew members, target etc of aircraft lost on this date which included crew member Franz Bleissner (date of birth 18th May 1920)? I think he was killed while involved in a bombing mission over London but I do not have details whether his aircraft was lost over England. Any information would be very helpful.
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Old 31st May 2006, 23:46
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

This night, the Lutfwaffe raided London (one of the raid of the 'Steinbock' offensive, called 'Baby Blitz' by British).
Two bombers were shot down over Britain (Ju 88 A-4 of 3./KG 54 and 2./KG 76), another Ju 88 A-4 of 5./KG 6 was hit by a Mosquito and two crew baled out and were captured, the two other flew the AC back to France before abandonning it, one being killed while baling out.
"The Blitz then and now, vol 3" has details of the crew of the 3 AC above and your man was not aboard them.

Seven other AC didn't return from the raid and weren't lost over Britain: a Do217 of 9./KG 2, a Ju188 of 2./KG 6, 2 Ju88 of III./KG 6, a Ju88 of 3./KG 54, a Ju88 of 6./KG 54 and a Ju88S of 3./KG 66. Most if not all of their crew were propably lost with them.
Three other Ju88s crashed in Europe and may have seen fatalities too.
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Old 1st June 2006, 00:25
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Further to Laurents answer I have a NVM which shows Ju 88 A4 FI+CK of 3/KG 76 w.n. 142379 crashed at Athies with all crew Killed. Ff .Fw. Franz Christel, B. Ogef.Heinrich Holthaus, BF. Ogef.Christian Fischer Bd. Ogef. Franz Gleissner (b. 18.05.1920). This was on 29/30.01.1944 while on a raid on London,
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Old 1st June 2006, 14:48
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Hi,
Thanks very much. I am very greatful for your time in finding this information for me. One final question - you mention you looked in NVM - what is this and how does one acquire such useful information.
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Old 1st June 2006, 15:41
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Rick ,the NVM is the Unit Loss return available from the 'WAST' office in Berlin, there is a charge for these and a long wait usually before copies are sent on. They were made out in the event of a crewman being killed, injured/wounded or missing i.e they would not record an aircraft crash if the crew survived without an injury.Some units record aircraft details but personal information is omitted ,
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Old 1st June 2006, 16:03
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Dear Brian,
Would this NVM be for a certain day and a certain unit? Or is this produced over a certain time for all units?
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Hi,

Just picked up a superb portrait of Ogef. Franz Gleissner on ebay.

Killed on raid against London during 'Baby Blitz'.



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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Hi,

I have another sterbebild for a Feldwebel Karl Palm who was lost on this date. Was he killed during this mission?

He was 24 years old.

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Old 7th March 2020, 23:42
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Rick ,

Palm was one of the Ground crewmen injured/died ? in the loss of a Ju 52 which was bringing 23 ground crew to Chievres , he was a 1.Wart of 1/KG 6

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The Ju 52 was coded G6+MU ( TG 4 ?)
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Re: Luftwaffe loss over England - 29/30.01.44

Thanks Brian
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