Two of the He111's of KG1 lost on 11 Jul 1940

[Black6]

I am working on two He111's of KG1 on 11 Jul 1940.

BBCA Vol.1/p.37 has a He111 of I/KG1 crashed in France after battle damage, Oblt Grunwald and 3 unnamed airmen killed.

I have a 1 Staffel aircraft down (query 0330 hours) at Ligny-Tilloy, 3km südw Bapaume crewed by:
Uffz Fridolin Hogg (FF) (8/53551) born 28 Feb 1915 at Stetten Über Engen/Baden
Ltn Helmut Grunwald (BB) born 16 Jan 1914 at Marienwerder/Ostpr
Uffz Herbert Köster (BF) (53551/45) born 23 Mar 1917 at
Recklinghausen/Westfl. Just promoted from Ogefr.
Uffz Gunther Mende (BM), born 23 Jan 1917 at Jarotschin

Can anybody advise on the timing please, three of the crew seem to be recorded as dying at 0330 hours - apparently on the 11th ?
Was this an He111 H ?

The same page of BBCA has another 1/KG1 aircraft believed lost off Selsey, flown by Ltn Wagner, Hptm Beloreus and three unnamed crew.

I have a 1/KG1 He111 H down in the sea, I believe off Brighton, crewed by:

Ltn Peter Wagner (13/53551) born 7 Jan 1915 in Danzig (body recovered Beaumont sur Mer/Sotteville)
Ofw. Werner Bischoff (4/53551) born 11 Mar 1911 at Kelbra- Eisleben (body recovered Veulettes/Dieppe)
Uffz. Hans Krause (18/53551), born 20 Apr 1916 at Königsberg/Ostpr. (body washed up Veulettes/Dieppe)
Hptm.d.Res. Dr. Karl-Heinz Behrens (BS) born 23 Sep 1889 at Celle Hannover. (body recovered in sea Nördl Cayeuse Sur Mer). His death certificate at the Hesse Standesamt gives his name as Dr Heinrich Karl Behrens, he was a medical doctor, and confirms his DOB and POB.
Uffz. Walter Möhring (BM) (28/53551) born 10 May 1912 at Queienfeld/Thüringen (body recovered at Peuly sur Mer near Dieppe)

Please can anybody confirm who was the pilot, I suspect Wagner, and the positions of the other crew members.

Thank you Peter

[John Vasco]

This is what I have:
1./KG1 Heinkel He111H. Shot down in the Channel during sortie to Portsmouth and attacked by Hurricanes of Nos.145 and 601 Squadrons 6.00 p.m. FF Lt Peter Wagner, BS Hptmn Karl-Heinz Behrens, HB Oberfw Werner Bischoff, BF Uffz Hans Krause, and BM Uffz Walter Möhring all killed.

1./KG1 Heinkel He111H. Crashed and burned out at Ligny-Thilloy, 3 km south of Bapaume, on return from sortie to Portsmouth and attack by Hurricanes of Nos.145 and 601 Squadrons 6.00 p.m. BO Lt Helmut Grunwald, FF Uffz Fridolin Hogg, BF Obergefr Herbert Köster and BM Uffz Günther Mende all killed.

[Chris Goss]

Sort of discussed before:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...light=Grunwald

[Black6]

Many thanks John

Hptm Behrens must be one of the older Luftwaffe officers flying a mission as aircrew.

Thanks for the link Chris

[Peter Cook]

Balss identifies the crew positions for Wagner's Heinkel:

Balss - 2018 - Luftwaffe Losses & Claims - Vol. 3 p. 146
1./KG 1 - OP - Kanal
Take off Montdidier - Channel - Shot down by Hurricanes (145. & 601.Sq.), crashed at sea 6:00 pm.
He 111 H-2 - 100% damage
P Ltn. Peter Wagner KIA, B Ofw. Werner Bischoff KIA, Bf Uffz. Hans Krause KIA, Bs Uffz. Walter Möhring KIA, Bs Hptm. Heinrich-Karl Dr. Behrens KIA

I have an analysis of this as well, PM me if you would like more.

Peter

[Black6]

thank you Peter, I will