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Old 17th October 2009, 15:22
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Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

Hello to all,

I just found this very interesting Corbis picture of a Soviet officer settling in the cockpit of an Bf 109 G-6:

http://pro.corbis.com/Search/SearchR...003104&ac=null

The photo shot by Yevegueni Khaldei in 1945 near Berlin shows dozens of other Bf 109 G's in the background, devoid of any unit markings. The only readable Werknummer reads 760070 which points on a Györ produced Bf 109. Can anybody else provide more details on the location? How many planes were produced by the Györ factory in Hungary?

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Old 17th October 2009, 16:37
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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

Hi Marc,

not a 100 percent certain, but from other photos I have seen of a VERY similar group of aircraft, the airfield should be Berlin-Johannisthal, were the Bücker aircraft company and DVL (Deutsche Versuchsanstalt für Luftfahrt) was located. Maybe this is a hint?

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Old 17th October 2009, 16:50
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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

Hi Christian,

Thanks for your information, it might shed more light on this intriguing picture. The fact that no plane shows any form of unit markings could support your location proposal. Another puzzling fact is that all identified Bf 109 G's are either G-6 or G-14 subtypes. Not a single G-6/AS, G-14/AS, G-10 or K-4 can be seen. Was Berlin-Johannistal a place for refurbishing older airframes?

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Old 17th October 2009, 23:08
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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

The camoflage doesn't correspond to any of the usual camo-patterns so they seem to have undergone considerable re-paint...

All aircraft have tailfins with a very special mottle that I've only seen once before, in a photo from a workshop. The photo is in Luftwaffe camoflage and markings by Ken Merrick and the caption says it's from a facility found in February 1945 during the advance on the second Belorussian front. No further detail is given.
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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

On the Gustav at right, I see the 'white cross in black square' type marking of the Royal Hungarian Air Force.
A larger resolution photo would be nice to see if there is any individual numeral on that particular aircraft...
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Old 18th October 2009, 12:49
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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

Draga Dénes, szokszor köszönöm!

Thanks dear Dénes, for your input. I tried to blow up as much as I could the low-res picture, but could not see any Gustav with RHAF type cross. Which plane do you mean?

Cpt_Farrel,

Thanks for your lead. Could this be a repair facility in Hungary, even in Györ itself?

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Old 18th October 2009, 15:02
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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

Hello All

Many thanks Marc!
I don't see any Hungarian cross?? But there is another WNr. on the picture; right in the first G-6 antenna loop. Somebody with a piercing eye may be??

Now here is a choice of the same photographer pictures, not only LW planes but not bad too:
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00177...7-5647cf9e5ad1
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00372...b-983ce36fdaf4
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00318...4-104d9bb04d78
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00244...0-1f5fb64e2ccb Dénes will appreciate!
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00243...7-5c344ac3b4a2
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00234...e-4b08212602e1
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00233...a-d436b83bfe8d
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00186...0-775f87d433b2
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00185...2-eb886877f3c2
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00185...8-21740310a50f
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00184...0-83a5642f5293
http://pro.corbis.com/images/YK00177...8-c4622b939adf Not exactly the same..

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Old 18th October 2009, 15:14
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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

Salut Franck,

Thanks for your fine choice of pics from Yevegueny Khaldei. How can you obtain links for the slightly more high-res links. Do you have to be registered?

As for the other Wnr to be seen framed by the D/F loop of the machine in the front, I blew the pic up to 1000%; I could almost see the numbers 4x8735, but I will never swear on it!

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Re: Györ-built Bf 109 G-6 picture

Bonjour mon Cher,

Yes I did it just because I'm curious... You have to put a name in the "company" window. After that you have access to the same picture without the Corbis logo. Last they give you a link to the next Corbis delegate near your home and, thanks who you want, it's just by me in Matosinhos, 10km from home! I will try tomorrow monday.

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Old 18th October 2009, 15:58
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Merci beaucoup!

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