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Old 11th January 2019, 15:09
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WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

In 1939-40 what aircraft did the French Armeé de la Air use as their primary trainer in which pilots got their wings?

In particular I'm looking for details of what Denys Boudard would have flown at Evreux.

So I understand he did not official end his Armeé de la Air initial training. If he had, what aircraft would he have flown fly next to get more experience had the situation not changed in Northern France in 1940 and he decided to escape to the UK.
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Old 11th January 2019, 18:23
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Re: WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

He used a stolen german Bucker 131 !
Primary trainers was : Caudron Luciole, Romano 60, Morane-Saulnier MS 315 and others
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Old 11th January 2019, 19:26
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Re: WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

You will find a list of French training aircraft in 39-40 there:
https://www.passionair1940.fr/Armee%...trainement.htm

According to the accident list of 1939-1940, the following aircraft were used by the "Ecole Auxiliaire de Pilotage N°17 Evreux-Fauville":

_ Hanriot.H.182.ED2. n°129 (accident on 15 March 1940), n°136 (accident on 23 January 1940), n°145 (accident on 10 March 1940), n°153 (accident on 28 February 1940), n°155 (accident on 26 and 27 February 1940), n°214 (accident on 27 December 1939), n°217 (accident on 20 January 1940), n°252 (accident on 25 February 1940), n°255 (accident on 20 December 1939), n°261 (accident on 28 December 1939), n°268 (accident on 23 January 1940), n°269 (accident on 21 January 1940), n°286 (accident on 11 March 1940), n°287 (accident on 22 December 1939 and 15 February 1940), n°289 (accident on 28 December 1939), n°290 (accident on 21 January 1940), n° 291 (accident on 6 March 1940 and 10 May 1940)

_ Morane M.S 230 Et2 n° 221 (accident on 27 April 1940) n° 368 (accident on 27 April 1940), n° 408 (accident on 1 December 1939), n° 414 (accident on 22 March 1940), n° 422 (accident on 1 December 1939, 15 February and 15 March 1940), n° 436 (accident on 6 November 1939)

_ Morane M.S 315 ED2 n° 28 (accident on 3 March 1940), n°63 (accident on 28 December 1939)

An "accident" means a report was done, but it could be anything from an aircraft lost landing in a field without damage to a fatal crash. That explains why some aircraft have repeated accidents in a short period.
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Old 15th January 2019, 15:14
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Re: WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

Does any one know if Jean Herbert was also at Ecole Auxiliaire de Pilotage N°17 at Evreux-Fauville with Denys Boudard? I know that Jean was with Denys in Algeria but i cannot find details of whether they both travelled together to North Africa.

I know that Denys moved to with Ecole' N.17 to Lannion in mid 1940. Did the Ecole N.17 move to Bergerac and Toulouse or was it just Denys being sent there by the Armee de la Air? Also was his move to Algeria via Marseille and Oran an official journey by orders of Armee de la Air or his (and Jean's) own decision.

Did Jean Herbert learn to fly in a Potez 60 in 1937 like his friend Denys?
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Old 16th January 2019, 20:24
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Re: WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

Larry,

The 2ème classe Jean HEBERT (Eleve-pilote) posted to EAP 17 at Evreux-Fauville on 12 march 1940. He came from Ecole Elementaire n°21 of Bernay.

Caporal on 16 june 1940

The 2ème classe Denys BOUDARD (Eleve-pilote) posted to EAP 17 at Evreux-Fauville on 15 january 1940. He came from Ecole Elementaire n°21 of Bernay.

Caporal-chef on 1 april 1940

They were together at EAP n°17 and certainly at Bernay (EEP 21)

EAP 17 posted from Evreux to Lannion on 21 may 1940.

On 1/7/1940 EAP n°17 was at Base Aérienne of Bergerac and dissolved.

Later Hebert and Boudard were posted to GB 1/61 (on 01/10/1940) and they left for permission in feb. and were demobilised on 29 march 1941.

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Old 16th January 2019, 23:33
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Re: WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

Bertrand

Since you seem to have plenty of details about these pilots, can I ask you if there is any book or website that contain details about the French training system/training units up to let's say 1940?

This is sadly missing details, at least for me.

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Old 17th January 2019, 07:34
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Re: WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

Hi Stig,

Most of these info came from personnal researches in files of Armée de l'Air.

Nevertheless the two issues of Aero journal n°37 & 38 (7/2004) and 9/2004) written by CJE bring solid infos on these schools.

In the same spirit in the last issue of the first number one of aviation magazine "AVIONS n°227" you will discover an excellent article on "Les liaisons d’état-major dans l’Armée de l’Air 1939-1940 " by the French historian Matthieu Comas. You will find solid list of aircraft -with s/n -

just a cross finger read Groupe Aérien de Reconnaissance 1/61 (not GB 1/61) at the Base dépôt de Blida

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Old 17th January 2019, 09:43
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Re: WW2 French Training aircraft at Evreux equivalent to Tiger Moth

Thanks Bertrand

With Chris gone (sadly missed) how do I get hold of the two Aero Journal issues?

The Avions issue must still be on its way to me. I have just finished No 226....

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Old 17th January 2019, 09:51
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