Bf 109 W. Nr. 77022

[stefaan]

Hi Guys.
I found that this 109 was found on some airfield in either Sicily or Italy.
I don't have access to W. Nr ranges, but may be G-2 to G-6 variant.
Any info on it.
Thx a mil
Stefaan

[Jim P.]

There was a Bf 109G-10 WNr. block that began 770xxx.

[stefaan]

Hi Jim.
That will help.
Looks like White 3, but no other markings. Found abandoned in Italy by the SAAF.
Stefaan

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Stefaan,

This is certainly not a Bf 109 G-10; there were none deployed in Sicily in 1943 as this type appears only from September 1944 onwards.

"Weisse 3" is with high probability a Bf 109 G-5 produced by Erla in the W.Nr. 26 000 - 27 100 production range. As there are absolutely no W.Nr. starting with a 7 except the aforementioned 770xxx range produced 1944 - 1945, and as the only production batch using a 7 as a second number is the mentioned Erla batch, the correct W.Nr. should thus be 27 077.

Source: Mermet, J.-C. (2008): Messerschmitt Bf 109 G&K, AéroJournal Hors-Série 1, p. 77.

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Hello Marc, Hi Stefaan,

Why 27077? I can follow you but with 27022; Concerning the Erla production batch, I have 26000 to 26135, and 27000 to 27185, both G-6. In Van Gogh List... but that last is not necessarely up to date.

Whatever, WNr.27022, if I follow your comments, flew with 4./JGr. Ost then with I./JG 300.... Hummm, not that one I guess.

Cheers, Franck.

[ouidjat]

... Last but not least...

You said that the 27??? range was the only one in production batches to have a 7 as second number...
But surprisingly I have WNr.s 17002 (which could be 17022 TOO!) in JGr. Süd, 17005 in JG 27, 17013, 17014 and 17017 in JG 54 in my small lost list.

That JGr.Süd possible 17022, was lost in L'Isle-sur-la-Sorgue and did wear a Gelbe 16. EXIT that possibility too.

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Hello Marc, Hi Stefaan,

Why 27077? I can follow you but with 27022; Concerning the Erla production batch, I have 26000 to 26135, and 27000 to 27185, both G-6. In Van Gogh List... but that last is not necessarely up to date.

Whatever, WNr.27022, if I follow your comments, flew with 4./JGr. Ost then with I./JG 300.... Hummm, not that one I guess.

Cheers, Franck.

Salut Franck!

OFC, dislexy is a threat at all ages: 27022 it is... And thanks for the others mentioned in the 17xxx range: Mermet 2008 does not list them.

Cheers
Marc

[Matti Salonen]

27022 was white 3, but destroyed:
1944-06-18, 4./JGr. Ost, Bf 109G-6, 27022, 3 weiße, 4 km westlich Fl.Pl. Weidengut, Absturz um 16.40 Uhr infolge Führungsfehler. Bruch 95 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Grundel, Josef. +
27077 is also not possible:
1943-10-20, 4./JG 2, Bf 109G-6, 27077, 1 km südlich Hectomare, 5,7 km nordöstlich Le Neubourg, Absturz nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Zerwas, Helmut, +
17022 was possibly never built (my files end with 17019)

Matti

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Matti Salonen

17022 was possibly never built (my files end with 17019)

Correct ... 17022 was never built.

Best Regards
Rasmussen

[ouidjat]

Thanks Matti and Rasmussen,

it seems that puts an end to that 17002/17022 doubts in JGr. Süd lost list...
Concerning that White 3 Stefaan is talking about I have no positive answer except a JG77 Bf 109 G-2 with White 3 markings ...
But not in Italy. If Stefaan have a picture it should be a step forward. But no positive match with that WNr.

Regards, Franck.