Was 1H+FN an Heinkel He111P or an He 111H-3 & Other Questions

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Rottler

Hello Stig,

the source for Steenbeck's 6936 is the Gen.Qu. loss return from 13 Sep 1940 item 9:
11.9. 5./KG 26 Feindflug, Ort: Gilze-Rijen, Ursache: Bauchlandung infolge Feindbeschuß, He 111 H-3 6936 1H+EN 40%.

Regards
Leo

Thanks Leo

And the verdict is?
I mean, are we talking about two different aircraft or only one (where Steenbeck could not decide which one was correct)?

Cheers
Stig

[Rottler]

Hello Stig,

I think that the Gen.Qu. loss return from 13 Sep 1940 is correct (He 111 H-3 WNr. 6936 5./KG 26 1H+EN 40% damage on 11 Sep 1940).
By the way the first recorded losses in the WNr. 39xx range were 3973 (6 April 1941) as well as 3900 and 3906 (13 April 1941).

Regards
Leo

[edNorth]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Ed
According to Volker Koos the H-5 were WNr 3501 - 3700, 3733 - 4092. WNr 3701 - 3732 were H-3 for Romania. Cheers Stig

Stig, I do not have interest at all in what your favourite Volker Koos has found out or not. I do not always agree with him (or others) or findings re W.Nrs., but I am not out here stating why.
Please bear that in mind.

My remark re 35xx to 40xx range is based on my own observation (lets call that research) and you are continiuing to irritate me with frequent quotations to him or others.
My resarch is not definite - as I have said many times - I am not copying him or other works - and me finding out W.Nr. 3935 - did not fit time period is entierly my own. I have further info on building times in that range supporting my "claim".
Also small H-3 range for others in that large range is irrelevant - but you need realise differene between H-3 or H-5 is how equipped / amamament / no tanks internally in H-3 - but essentilly same airplane re production.
Please bear that in mind.

Ed

[edNorth]

"(He 111 H-3 WNr. 6936 5./KG 26 1H+EN 40% damage on 11 Sep 1940)".

I think now this is correct one - version H-3 and W.Nr 69xx are not appearently wrong, (others in 68xx/69xx range known flying with Westa´s summer 1940), other later one possibly be duplicate, without discounting 1H+EM also was involved.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Leo (and Ed)

Seems we are in agreement about WNr 6936

Sorry Ed

Not out to irritate you, far from that, and yes I like Volker, since he has always answered my sometimes stupid questions. His background is behind the wall but he always is very knowledgeable and his manner is...well likeable. Actually sometimes a little bit like you, frustrated about us novices...

Not saying he is 100% correct (who is??), but so far I have not seen anyone challenging his statements.

Have you found anything wrong with his WNr findings?

Cheers
Stig

[Fliegend]

Putting aside the work number, could 1H+FN be an H-3 in September 1940? See,
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/commonwealth_parnall.htm ,
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=216310 , http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archiv...p?t-30551.html

[jim norton]

hi,

there exist many photos of this machine, lying on the beach and later used as a shooting-target. the unit-code was 1h+fn. it is interesting to see that the luftwaffe made mistakes although it was correct before...

all the best
jim

[Seaplanes]

Sorry about late comments to this posting. It can be proven beyond any doubts that He 111 W.Nr. 3935 was a He 111H-5.
First reference is in documents kept by Deutsches Museum in München:
Übersichtsliste der Änderungsanweisungen He 111 von 1. July 1943, page 17:
He 111H-5 all produced by Ernst Heinkel Flugzeugwerke in Rostock (EHF) W.Nr. 3586 to 3700 and 3773 to 4092.
Werk-Nummern between 3501 and 3585 can be documented in the same records. These Werk-Nummern show a production run of a total of 560 He 111H-5 aircraft.

This figure can be documented in two records kept by Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv in Freiburg. First RL 3/991 C-Amts-Program Lieferplan Nr. 18
von 1. November 1940: He 111H-5 total on order 570 aircraft. Delivered up to 31.10.1940: 265 aircraft. Remaining 305 aircraft to be delivered from November 1940 to May 1941.

RL 3/994 C-Amts-Program Lieferplan Nr. 19 von 15. March 1941. Here the total on order is reduced by 10 aircraft to 560, which turned out to be the final and correct number.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Björn

Seems to me this confirms Volker Koos' findings as well.

Cheers
Stig