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Old 28th April 2005, 07:55
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Hi,

the second BF109`s photo shows red 12 from 2/JG27 crash landed in Krefeld in spring of 1940.

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Old 28th April 2005, 11:33
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Hi All,
a nice P-47 wreck , and a captured ? walrus..... can't recognise the a/c in the background any ideas ?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ayphotohosting

You always come up with some good ones ed, as always much appreciated.
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You're welcome Jerry.



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Old 28th April 2005, 17:34
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the second BF109`s photo shows red 12 from 2/JG27 crash landed in Krefeld in spring of 1940.

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The color of the 12 is imho black and not red (thats wrong in Dr. Priens JFV). Look here:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?fotonummer=4291
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Old 29th April 2005, 01:09
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Hi,

Can anybody offer any further information into the identity of Me109E
SK+AS http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=6174170073

Any help would be most grateful, or any help with similar Stkz for other Me109's

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The color of the 12 is imho black and not red (thats wrong in Dr. Priens JFV). Look here:

http://www.me109.info/display.php?fotonummer=4291
This is open to argument.

I'd personally say that the dark color used for the tactical marking "12" is not the same as the black of the Balkenkreuz. It could very well be red...it could also be black.

What I'm trying to say is that the first part of your argument contains "IMHO" and rightly so, but yet you clearly finish by adding that Prien is wrong. The answer perhaps is that we cannot be sure based on these photos alone.

We should be a little more careful of using absolutes when discussing opinions different to ours.

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This is open to argument.

I'd personally say that the dark color used for the tactical marking "12" is not the same as the black of the Balkenkreuz. It could very well be red...it could also be black.
You can find Priens photo in the JVB part 2/page 245. There you can "think" the number is red, because the sun glance is on this part of the fuselage. Look on the left part of the Balkenkreuz, there it is also bright like the number. Thats why the angle of the broken fuselage is different to the sun. (I hope you understand it with my poor english. *g*) So i think the number is black and not red, and Priens is wrong. ;-)

Look on the photo below on page 245, there it is clear to see that the color of the Balkenkreuz and the tactical number is different.

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Look on the photo below on page 245, there it is clear to see that the color of the Balkenkreuz and the tactical number is different.
Just a quick thought, have in mind that the Balkenkreuz was applied in the factory, and the tactical markings when the aircraft arrived in the unit, so different shades of the same color are possible. Off course the sun angle can also do his tricks. A sharp eye you have, Falcon


Steve,
this Bf109E with the STKZ SK+AS is probabley a Bf109 E-3 with the WNr.2442bulit in Messerschmitt Regensburg between 06. & 07.40.
I have also a note for this 109E that it was exported to the Swiss, but I can not confirm this.
In what other codes are you interested?

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Old 29th April 2005, 21:27
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Hi Tomislav,

Many thanks for your information on SK+AS this is most interesting.
The only leads i have for Me109's stkz starting with SK+ are for a batch with the codes SK+CA to SK+CZ W.nr 2711 to 2736.

I also have a general interest in any stkz codes and not just to Me109's,
and particularly seek Me110 and He111 stkz batches.

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