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Old 29th January 2024, 18:28
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8.USAF losses

Hello! I Have a question about the USAAF during WW2 over Germany.
Are there any books or online sources that shows all aircraft losses by aircraft and crew names/fates?
RAF and Luftwaffe losses are well documented but I have never seen souch lists about the 8.USAF. For example I want to know all losses of the Braunschweig raid on 30 Jan 44, not only by quantity but every single aircraft and crew. Is there any chance to get these?
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Old 29th January 2024, 18:39
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Re: 8.USAF losses

Hello,


There is LOSSES of the US 8th and 9th AIR FORCES in 7 volumes by Stan D. Bishop, John A. Hey, Gerrie Franken & Marco Cillesse.


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Old 30th January 2024, 00:28
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Re: 8.USAF losses

all USAAF MACR-documented losses 30.01.1944
I have on file (not all fields complete)


MACR Date Type Serial Code Nickname Group Squadron Pilot KIA/MIA/EVD Target Crashplace Country


2115 440130 P-47 42-8506 4 335 Haaksbergen NL
4115 440130 C-46 41-12413 6
2118 440130 P-38 42-67516 20 79 Ott, Richard L Horst-Holtwick D
2102 440130 P-38 42-67646 Kentucky Kernel 20 79 Fall, M D ?Hengelo NL
2228 440130 P-47 42-75637 57 65 Miholich, Philip H RTD 1 22203 Ražanj (into sea) HR
2255 440130 B-17 42-30008 92 407 Obershagen, Bezirk Burgdorf D
2254 440130 B-17 42-97441 92 407 between Ehlershausen and Ramlingen D
2341 440130 B-24 42-73507 Sunday Girl 93 328 Nijkerk/Bunschoten NL
2062 440130 B-17 42-31424 301 353 Perkins, Joseph B 33031 Udine-Villaorba IT
2261 440130 B-17 42-31461 305 366 Scott, Charles A KIA 2, POW 8 Braunschweig 31855 Aerzen D
2393 440130 P-47 42-75967 325 318 Adriatic Sea
2571 440130 P-47 42-75982 325 318 Fallon, Jack S POW 1
2262 440130 B-17 42-3509 351 511 Hengelo NL
2133 440130 P-47 42-75567 B7- 361 374 Amason, Ethelbert F KIA 1 Rijssen/Borkeld NL
2867 440130 B-17 42-3325 Paddy Gremlin 379 524 Davis, Kenneth POW 10 Braunschweig North Sea
2876 440130 B-17 42-31535 379 527 bei Essern (Minden)
2878 440130 B-17 42-31692 379 526 Upson, Frank E KIA 8, POW 2 Braunschweig 32609 Hüllhorst-Holsen (parts into field at "Jarrenkamp" west of "Im Buchholz") D
2877 440130 B-17 42-31643 FO-X 379 527 Winter, Donald E KIA 10 Braunschweig 1865 AP Bergen aan Zee NL
2495 440130 B-17 42-30029 Chaps Flying Circus 381 535 North Sea
2244 440130 B-17 42-29761 VP-W Martha II, Lucky Lady 381 533 Steele, Henry Dow KIA 4, POW 6 Braunschweig 5761 BN Bakel / 5751 BE Deurne NL
2243 440130 B-17 42-31047 MS-T Little Duchess aka Wolverine 381 535 Deering, Robert P Braunschweig Schellerten/Ottbergen D
2263 440130 B-17 42-5444 JD-N We Dood It! 384 545 B. Ross Braunschweig 31675 Bückeburg-Achum D
2264 440130 B-17 42-5404 JD-M The Geezil 384 545 H. Wirtz Braunschweig ?Deehren/Halle/Hannover ?D
2265 440130 B-17 42-37727 JD-Z 384 545 C. Penny Braunschweig ?Rohrsen ?zwischen Beber und Eimbeckhausen ?D
2266 440130 B-17 42-31181 385 549 Lojinger, Robert I POW 10 Braunschweig 49143 Bissendorf-Himbergen D
2884 440130 B-17 42-31209 Janie BB 388 561 Bianchi, Morris P KIA 4, POW 6 Braunschweig 49448 Stemshorn D
2276 440130 B-17 42-37856 Fancy Nancy III 401 612 Rohner, Ronald R KIA 5, POW 5 Braunschweig 38154 Beienrode D
2247 440130 B-24 42-7565 Turd Bird 445 703 Conner, Thomas B North Sea
2277 440130 B-17 42-31146 447 708 Putnam, Merten KIA 2, POW 8 Braunschweig 47652 Weeze D
2711 440130 B-24 41-29217 Dumbo 449 Udine AF Grado (laguna) IT
2479 440130 B-24 42-7730 449 718 Wheeler, Hayward S KIA 10 Campoformido AF 33040 Campolongo al Torre IT
2404 440130 B-24 41-28605 449 718 Chandler, Thomas E near Udine IT
14416 440130 AC not lost
2060 440130 B-17 41-24395 I DO DIT 2 49 Taylor, Joe KIA 5, POW 5 Laviarano Udine IT
2068 440130 P-38 42-13173 Sweet Pea 82 97
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Re: 8.USAF losses

1944 January losses
with USAAF MACR last location
& Luftwaffe KU location

https://www.aviationarchaeology.com/...CR_1944Jan.asp
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Re: 8.USAF losses

Geoffrey Sinclair adds the following

An MACR can be generated without the aircraft being lost. An MACR will not be generated for most write offs.

There seems to be agreement 2 P-38, 2 P-47, 18 B-17 and 2 B-24 did not return plus 42-31415 which did return after 5 crew baled out (but was written off). Losses in these bombers 96 KIA, 103 PoW, 6 Evaded, 5 Returned to Duty.

The write offs, Roger Freeman says 3 B-17, 1 each from the 351st, 379th and 384th BG, candidates

42-30643 364th Sqn 305th BG reported u/c collapsed taxying for Brunswick mission 29/1/44 (date or mission wrong) condemned 30 January.
42-31223 711th Sqn 447th BG Belly landed at Honington on return
42-31415 545th Sqn 384th BG crash landed at base 30/1/44
42-39889 527th Sqn 379th BG written off (30 January?), no other details


As Geoffrey so correctly pointed out, I missed out a line in his answer. Darn...
Here it is (sorry Geoffrey)
In addition 42-39834 (511th Sqn 351st BG) undercarriage failure landing from a training sortie

Last edited by Stig Jarlevik; 31st January 2024 at 10:14. Reason: Added detail
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Re: 8.USAF losses

Thank you both, very useful! Now I have found some matching bombers near my hometown area.
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Re: 8.USAF losses

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Thank you both, very useful! Now I have found some matching bombers near my hometown area.



Do you have specific questions on a single plane, or a single crashsite near your place or is it more all about this 30.01.1944 ?


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