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Old 2nd January 2009, 15:36
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Von Stade 10./JG300 and his Bf 109 September 1944

Hello!

First, Happy and Prosperous New Year for all forum readers!

Introduction from memory (so caveat!):
Early September, 1944 handful of Finnish Air Force pilots were in Germany waiting for Ju W34s which they to transfer to Finland. The Finnish pilots had been in Luftwaffe night fighter training school for whole Summer with their colleagues totalling about 20 trainees. After the courses pilots went home, save these to-be transfer pilots. The armistice between Finland and Soviet Union in September 4th, 1944 put end to the transfer of the Ju W34s but this is another story.

The Finnish transfer pilots were hosted by JG 300, apparently the 10th Staffel. While they stay there there were big party during one day for one of the Staffel pilots had shot down a Mosquito. BTW the Finns were also asked to join Luftwaffe and fly night fighter missions, but the offers were turned down. (These may have been unofficial or humour anyway)


When looking Tony Wood's Luftwaffe claim lists it seems the only good match is the claim made by Ofw Von Stade September 2nd, 1944 at 9.06 AM at grid "15 Ost S/JF at 8.100 m. [Weddin]"

Well, this lead to search for a image for von Stade's Bf 109. At the www.jg300.de site there are couple of photos and a profile for 10./JG 300 Messerschmitts. I think that in a pinch I could be well off with just picking the right tactical number as the jg300 -site photos are from the right time period. And yes, this pondering is for a scale model.

And my questions regarding the subject would be:
- Has anyone (data from) von Stade's logbook? The tactical number for the Sep 2nd, 1944 flight is actully all I need.
- Do the JG 300 books published recently (Lorant) have any photos of von Stade's Bf 109 or any info regarding the person (and mount too)?
- As a nice to know fact, is there matching loss for this Mosquito claim? Von Stade seems to claimed only this one for the whole of 1944.
- Any info about the eventual faith for von Stade? Stop of claims may mean he was killed or wounded. On the other hand, he may have been more an instructor than operational pilot. At least his name seems to surface more than once around the FinnAF night fighter training "business" (from memory).


All the best,
Kari

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Old 2nd January 2009, 16:55
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Re: Von Stade 10./JG300 and his Bf 109 September 1944

..I'd imagine that most of that info is indeed in the books (Lorant/Goyat) - can't access mine though. IIRC there are two pics of the pilot preparing to fly a sortie in a 'Black 8' of 12. Staffel
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Old 30th January 2016, 13:09
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Re: Von Stade 10./JG300 and his Bf 109 September 1944

Hallo!

Recent post about Jorg Czypionka reminded me about similar question about Von Stade and his plane, also from 10./JG 300. So this is bumping up old theme. Please see the opening post.

I hope the past seven years have brought new information.

And belated Thank You to FalkeEins! Interesting lead.


Thanking in advance,
Kari
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Old 30th January 2016, 19:42
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Re: Von Stade 10./JG300 and his Bf 109 September 1944

to answer you Theo Boitens later volumes over the eyars on the NJG's will have more info's on 10th staffel than the first two volumes he produced, I have given him more info's on the oversized staffel during the August to November 44 period.

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Old 30th January 2016, 21:46
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Re: Von Stade 10./JG300 and his Bf 109 September 1944

Hello Kari,

As to the fate of von Stade, like others from 10./JG 300 including Jorg Czypionka, he was recruited by Oblt. Kurt Welter in 1945 to fly Me 262 nightfighters in 10./NJG 11.

From page 94 of O'Connell, Me 262 Production Log, (2005):
"110600 Call sign NU+YY. Me 262 A-1a. ...
... One source notes that Ofw. Heinz von Stade of 10./NJG 11, was killed or badly injured on 21 February 1945, after crash landing at Prenzlau from combat damage, and the jet was almost completely destroyed. However he was again in combat on 23 February and was KIA in another aircraft ..."

However, on p. 112 of Andreas Zapf's Mosquitos & Schwalben, (2014), Ofw. Heinrich von Stade of 10./NJG 11 is reported "KIA" on 2 April 1945 when his Me 262 crashed after he rammed a Mosquito, possibly KB185 of No. 139 RAF Squadron.

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Re: Von Stade 10./JG300 and his Bf 109 September 1944

Hi all,

well - it seems that Heinrich von Stade was killed in early April, at least that is what I have been able to gather. The date is confirmed via the Volksbund, the loss is documented in the official LW Documents (although without a name, of course).

I am trying to find out more about him - so far, I know he was 10./JG 300, then likely II./NJG 11, then 10./NJG 11.

He may have been with one of the FFS before that - need to verify that. Since he is an Ofw., nothing on him in Freiburg (although I need to check something there... new source).

Any information on him his appreciated.

Andreas
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