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Re: German raider boasts of machine-gunning English women?
And to add to what Andrew said about tall tales, later in the war there’s constant competition between the prisoners over who can dream up the biggest and best secret weapon that he’s seen. I felt that Neitzel and his psychologist co-author tended to over-analyse what sounds at times exactly like young blokes showing off.
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Re: German raider boasts of machine-gunning English women?
With respect to post # 9 - you are absolutely right, his name was Hubert Greim without the "von" in his father's name. The reason for this was that his family was not part of the nobility so that they would have had the "von" by birth. Instead father Greim was bestowed with the lowest degree of nobility - Ritter von = knight of - for his exploits as a pilot in WWI, which could not be passed on and inherited by his son, who therefore was born as just Hubert Greim.
Sorry for my mistake. KR Jochen Prien |
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Nick, my thoughts exactly on the Neitzel book. The reports are an interesting and sometimes valuable source, but should be treated with caution.
And Jochen, definitely no need to apologize. My correction on his name in post #9 probably came across a little harsher than intended! However, I've seen the same mistake repeated on numerous occasions on the Internet, so thought I should clarify it in this thread. Cheers, Andrew A. Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com/earticles |
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Andrew
I have correctly quoted the following: Soldaten On Fighting, Killing, and Dying The Secret World War II Transcripts of German POWs Neitzel,Soenke & Harald Welzer Melbourne:Scribe,2012 (P/B) p.65 fn.115 (p.362) fn.115 - SRA 828 26 October 1940, TNA, WO 208/4120. If that is wrong, then so am I. Col. |
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Re: German raider boasts of machine-gunning English women?
Col,
Thanks for that - looks like Neitzel and Welzer got it wrong. Cheers, Andrew A. Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com/earticles |
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P.S. And talking, as I was of bragging ... Neitzel implies IIRC that he was the first to find and publish material from these transcripts. I for one beat him to it! |
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Re: German raider boasts of machine-gunning English women?
Wasn't it an American author Michael Gannon who actually first used these records?
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I quoted three sentences from an NSG 9 prisoner in "Ghost Bombers" so although I got in early (2001), it wasn't exactly a major exploitation of the reports. Neitzel said in Soldaten that he and his team indexed all of these reports, which would save a lot of time if the information is publicly accessible anywhere. |
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Re: German raider boasts of machine-gunning English women?
David Irving also started a book project on this theme 'Secretly Overheard' in 1988: http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Overheard/
This project never saw print for various reasons which Irving notes in his post. A reconstruction of his manuscript can be downloaded from here: http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Overheard/CSDIC.pdf I am posting this purely for those who might find it helpful. It is not my intention to start a debate about Irving's credentials as a historian. Last edited by Steve Coates; 30th May 2019 at 18:30. |
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