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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
Nice find Leendert!
What actually was a Ground Support Unit? I cannot find any reference to that in Flying Training and Support Units since 1912 (Air Britain) How many were they and what did they do that not the regular squadrons did? Cheers Stig |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
Stig,
You're right, it's No. 84 Group Support Unit. Regards, Leendert |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
Aha Leendert, thanks for getting back with the correct name.
Now I found it. It was a sort of expanded repair unit. I wonder what the Canadians did to it since it warranted some kind of repair? Perhaps nothing at all! Somehow it sounds like a "gremlin" aircraft. The Canadians just wanted to get rid of it, the 84th GSU then crash it on a test flight. Speculation no doubt on my part....but.... Cheers Stig |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
441S 16-11-44 Engine cut hit tree in circuit and bellylanded nr Knocke FACE 24-12-44.
From - http://www.airhistory.org.uk/spitfire/ |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 24-Dec-1944 - Belgium
Received accident record card for NH464. Pilot was Sgt. Frank Roberts (1349787). 84 GSU. Ferry flight.
After engine cut due to fuel shortage while in circuit, pilot apparently did not trouble to see if his drop tank was full (which was) so did not switch to that reserve. Regards, Leendert |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
Thanks Leendert
Interesting feedback. But wasn't the regular way to use up first the fuel in the drop tank (even if you never dropped it) and then the fuel you had in your wings (or fuselage)? If so, then he must have forgotten to do so right after take off. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
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There are various reasons for a "fuel shortage", it doesn't have to mean that there wasn't fuel in the tanks. The fuel pump may have failed or the carb may have had a problem or it may have been pilot error as well, who knows? Not sure on the specifics of the Spitfire fuel system, but on some aircraft the fuel in the drop tank is pumped into the main tanks as the main tanks burn down, others can feed fuel directly from drop tank to engine. In most (if not all) aircraft, takeoff is accomplished on Main Tanks even when carrying drop tanks, Aux tanks, etc.. And the "while in circuit" doesn't give you much time to troubleshoot the problem. |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
Indeed Revi
But in this case the accident reason is given by Leendert. The drop tank was full, while his main tanks were not. Had there been any technical problem, the accident card should (presumably) have mentioned that. Yes I know you take off on your main tanks and then switch over to your aux fuel, hence me saying after take off.... However my main reason for asking was basically to find out how "one did it" when not on any operational mission. In a ferry case like this, the drop tank was probably supposed to be attached after landing as well Cheers Stig |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
Reread the written accident report a couple of times more. The more 'fluent' the handwriting, the harder it is to read sometimes... Anyways result for Spitfire and pilot stays the same.
Pilot had not examined the F100 (?) card before signing otherwise he would have known that long range tank was full.... After engine cut he then did not trouble to ascertain if drop tank was filled. Did not remember if warning light showed before engine failure. Regards, Leendert |
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Re: Spitfire NH464 - crashlanding 16 Nov 1944 - Belgium
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