Loss details of ZG crews June 1944 over Rugen

[Reiner]

Thanks John


20.06.1944 Me 410A-1 WNr. 420455 3U+NP 6./ZG 26
Uffz. Otto Nickel (FF), gefallen.
Unbekannt
LK, Absturz Gut Schmuckerow, 15 Kilometer südlich Anklam.


The correkt name ist Schmuggerow. 30years ago I lived and worked there, but the exakt chrashsite is unknown for me.


regards, Rene

[Stig Jarlevik]

John/Rene

Very interesting details.
Rügen is a very fascinating Island. Possibly the last pagan territory in Europe and a place I so far never have visited. A place hidden by the mist of time...

Checking your data with what Petrick/Stocker stated in the Me 210/410 book, I am puzzled with their dates compared to what you John lists.

420490, 420627, 710364, 710371, 420495, 420455, 710358 all on 25 June
710339 30 June
710332 12 July
710331 2 July

420473/5 is in itself a problem, Petrick/Stocker confuse it with 420443 so I believe 420473 is actually correct.
They have 420475 as lost on both 18 May and 25 June 1944 (two seperate lines) but I think the date 18 May is correct.

Actually they don't have a single aircraft listed as lost on 20 June. Since they have other dates which are also wrong, I wonder why?

Possibly they have confused at least some of the dates with the date the GQM was issued, but that feels a bit odd....

There are more puzzling details in their listings, unfortunately, with regard to these WNr
420455 is also listed as destroyed 14 March 1944 which makes it difficult to again become destroyed 25 June (well 20 June)
420490 is also listed as destroyed 2 June (same problem as above)
710331 is listed as having to calibrate its cannon with Dornier (document dated 17 July 1944), and so are 710332, 710339, 710358, 710364 and 710371.
The calibration could of course be a routine business with Dornier not knowing some aircraft had already been destroyed.

Comments welcome.

Cheers
Stig

[John Manrho]

Stig,

This is material I collected several years ago and most of it was based on copies of the NVM and several logbooks. For 21.06.44 there is quite a list too.

John

[Stig Jarlevik]

I am all ears John

No theory about the odd dates listed in the Petrick/Stocker book?

Cheers
Stig

[John Manrho]

I have no idea where they got there data from. I have 420475 as lost on 13 May 1944 (crew Herrmann/Edenburg).

John

[John Manrho]

And the list for 21.06.1944:

21.06.1944 Me 410A-1 WNr. 420509 3U+MM Stab II./ZG 26
Lt. Rudi Dassow (F), leicht verwundet.
Fw. Martin Schretzenmayer (BF), schwer verwundet.
LK, Bauchlandung bei Neubrandenburg.

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710319? 3U+QM 4./ZG 26
Lt. Heinz Eisenblätter (F), gefallen.
Uffz. Roland Schindler (BF), gefallen.
LK, Absturz bei Neubrandenburg (100%).

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710335 3U+OM 4./ZG 26
Uffz. Anton Ristits (F), unverletzt.
Uffz. Karl Boll (BF), schwer verwundet.
LK, Absturz mit FSA bei Alt-Käbelich, östlich Neubrandenburg.

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710362 3U+JM 4./ZG 26
Unbekannt (F), unverletzt.
Uffz. Willi Baumann (BF), verwundet.
LK, Bauchlandung bei Neubrandenburg (70%)

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710340 4./ZG 26
Unbekannt (F), unverletzt.
Fw. Alfred Niehüser (BF), verwundet.
LK, Bauchlandung bei Löcknitz (40%).

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 420468 3U+EM 4./ZG 26
Fw. Karl Eggers (F), verwundet.
Ogfr. Hans Steckler (BF), verwundet (FSA)
LK, Bauchlandung bei Grubenow bei Anklam.

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 420482? 3U+FM 4./ZG 26
Uffz. Karl Esser (F), gefallen.
Uffz. Paul Jost (BF), gefallen.
LK, Absturz bei Grabow b. Königsberg (100%).

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710357 3U+UM 4./ZG 26
Oblt. Siegfried Steinke (F), gefallen.
Ogfr. Andreas Schley (BF), gefallen.
LK, Absturz 20 Kilometer nördlich Prenzlau (100%).

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710337 3U+LM 4./ZG 26
Fw. Herbert Keil (F), gefallen.
Ofw. Fritz Lang (BF), verwundet.
LK, Absturz bei Neubrandenburg (100%).

21.06.1944 Me 410A-1 WNr. 420464 3U+AM 4./ZG 26
Uffz. Walter Kicherer (F), leicht verwundet.
Uffz. Wolfram Uhlmann (BF), leicht verwundet.
LK, Bauchlandung Schwennenz, 15 Kilometer westlich Stettin.

21.06.1944 Me 410A-1 WNr. 420631 3U+DN 5./ZG 26
Ofw. Albert Dudszus (F), gefallen.
Ofw. Konrad Kittler (BF), gefallen.
LK, Absturz bei Schönbeck b. Friedland (100%).

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710342 6./ZG 26
Ofw. Willi Frös (F), leicht verwundet.
Fw. Gerd Brandl (BF), unverletzt.
LK, Bauchlandung bei Neubrandenburg.

21.06.1944 Me 410B-2 WNr. 710023 6./ZG 26
Unbekannt (F), unverletzt.
Uffz. Georg Ringenberg (BF), schwer verwundet.
LK, Bauchlandung 3 Kilometer westlich Viereck b. Pasewalk.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks again John

Really appreciate the time you have taken to list all of this.
Will check your latest details against the Petrick/Stocker book.

With regard to 410475, yes the 13th is correct, I forgot to mention that I had already changed that date as well. Sorry about that....

Two days, 24 aircraft listed. The Me 410 was certainly an aircraft you should not be in....with enemy fighters around....

Cheers
Stig

[Reiner]

On 21.6.44 I have also : Lt.Günter Borkert and Uffz.Werner Knuth, both KIA near Rothenklempenow, Me410, WNr.120093.2./ZG26.
Rene

[John Manrho]

I listed only the II./ZG 26 losses, not the I./ZG 26. In my opinion these two Gruppen were the only ZG units involved on these dates. If I can find the time I will look into the I. Gruppe losses.

John

[MW Giles]

A lot of the dates for losses in the Petrick/Stocker book on the Me 210/410 are out. I came to the conclusion that they were recording the date the loss was reported and not when it occurred

Martin