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Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
Dear friends,
on August 29th, 1944, 2ndBG flew the mission # 263, target Moravska Ostrava. 20thSqdn was attacked by 89 German fighters over white Carpathian mountains. Whole 20thSqdn (7 B-17G´s), one B-17G and one B-24 from another groups were shot down. 41 American fliers were kiiled, 28 of them buried at the mass grave in Slavicin (Czech Republic).I´m in touch with some American & German veterans participating on this battle. And now to my question: One of these B-17G´s, belonging to the 20thSqdn, #42-32048, MACR 8098, was shot down near small village Krhov. One of the German pilots participating on this kill landed on some airport (probably Kunovice or Otrokovice), toke a motorbike with the sidecar there, drove to Bojkovice (5 km away from crash place), toke a local photoghrafer and drove to the crash place with him in order to make some pictures. Unfortunately this photographer passed away, but I have heard that he mentioned the name of this German pilot as ''Novak''. We still don´t know the name of this pilot. Willi Reschke mentions in his book ''JG301/JG302'' a kill to Obfw. Heinz Nevack, 1./JG302. The names Novak & Nevack are similar, but we never saw a picture, nor any information about this pilot. I also have spoke about it with Willi Reschke but he also doesn´t know anything about him... May be this unknown pilot has nothing to do with this Nevack, so here is the list of German fighers with confirmed kills on that day: Fw. Karl Schauenberg, 4./JG300 Fw. Konrad Bauer, 5./JG300 Fw. Walter Vogel, 2./JG3 Uffz. Rudolf Hennersdorf, 1./JG300 Fw. Walter Loos, Stab/JG300 Uffz. Jürgen Wellhausen, 7./JG300 Uffz. Afred Büthe, 3./JG300 Fw Willi Unger, 15./JG3, 2 victories Uffz. Heinz-Julius Uchdorf, 16./JG3 Uffz. Klaus Neumann, 16./JG3 Oblt. Eberhard Schade, 6./JG27 Uffz. Hannes Schmitz, 1./JG300 Uffz. Paul Mang, 9./JG53 Uffz. Willi Reschke, 1./JG302 Uffz. Herman Heck, 9./JG53 Ofw. Adalbert Koch, 6./JG300 Ltn. Werner Hermann, 10./JG53 Uffz. Herman Pusch, 11./JG53 (or Günther Busch?) Oblt. Karl Ritter, 11./JG53 Ltn. Josef Törfer, 5./JG27 Obfw. Heinz Nevack, 1./JG302 Ofhr. Gerhard Piel, 5./JG300 Uffz. Hansotto Nehls, 11./JG300 Flg. Fritz Weinzierl, 11./JG53 Fw. Rudolf Zwesken, 6./JG300 Ltn. Lutz-Gottfried Hengst, 9./JG300 Ofhr. Herbert Köhler, 9./JG300 So it had to be someone of them, could anyone help me to identify this unknown pilot? Picture of him attached. Roman |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
O.K. As I can see no one knows who´s this pilot. I have pictures of some of these pilots so these can´t be locked out:
Fw. Karl Schauenberg, 4./JG300- Locked out Fw. Konrad Bauer, 5./JG300- Locked out Fw. Walter Vogel, 2./JG3 Uffz. Rudolf Hennersdorf, 1./JG300 Fw. Walter Loos, Stab/JG300- Locked out Uffz. Jürgen Wellhausen, 7./JG300 Uffz. Afred Büthe, 3./JG300 Fw Willi Unger, 15./JG3, 2 victories- Locked out Uffz. Heinz-Julius Uchdorf, 16./JG3 Uffz. Klaus Neumann, 16./JG3- Locked out Oblt. Eberhard Schade, 6./JG27 Uffz. Hannes Schmitz, 1./JG300 Uffz. Paul Mang, 9./JG53- Locked out Uffz. Willi Reschke, 1./JG302- Locked out Uffz. Herman Heck, 9./JG53 Ofw. Adalbert Koch, 6./JG300 Ltn. Werner Hermann, 10./JG53 Uffz. Herman Pusch, 11./JG53 (or Günther Busch?) Oblt. Karl Ritter, 11./JG53 Ltn. Josef Törfer, 5./JG27 Obfw. Heinz Nevack, 1./JG302 Ofhr. Gerhard Piel, 5./JG300- Locked out Uffz. Hansotto Nehls, 11./JG300- Locked out Flg. Fritz Weinzierl, 11./JG53 Fw. Rudolf Zwesken, 6./JG300- Locked out Ltn. Lutz-Gottfried Hengst, 9./JG300 Ofhr. Herbert Köhler, 9./JG300- Locked out Roman |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
No one has any information about this Heinz Nevack from 1./JG302?
Roman |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
Just a little note- according to my correspondence with Herrn Willi Reschke and Jean-Yves Lorant Ofw. Heinz Nevack has never existed.
The correct name is Ofw. Heinz Weuack, 2./JG300. |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
4 pics showing this pilot are here http://www.leteckabitvakarpaty.cz/usaf/letadlo4/
Just scroll the page down. |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
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http://www.leteckabitvakarpaty.cz/se...dla/luftwaffe/ Last name of what seems to be a claims list. Weuack is on line 16 on that same list Cheers Stig |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
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it's because this info comes from Willi Reschke's book so I'm leaving this question still open. Willi Reschke unfortunatelly didn't remember where did he get this name and info from. Both names are very similar and some people write 'N' like a 'W' and 'n' like 'u' so that's why I also believe that Nevack = Weuack. I only don´t understand why Nevack is listed in I/JG302 while Weuack served at I/JG300. But thank you very much for head up. I just corrected the info on our web. Anyway, Jean- Yves Lorant told me that Heinz Weuack from I./JG300 claimed a B-17 kill at Gottwaldov (Zlin today) on that day and this fact confirmed Hans- Werner Gross to Lorant as well but this kill was never confirmed to Weuack. That's why Lorant didn't mention this kill in his book. During my research I put all my cards on Weuack untill I got in touch with his son who sent me pics of his father. Heinz Weuack had blonde hair and it is not him on the pictures taken on the crash site... Last edited by seesul; 4th October 2019 at 10:19. |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
Just to add another note, the pilot is also identified as Uffz Mang from III.JG-53 in the publication "Luftwaffe: Air War Over the Czech Lands" by Jiri Rajlich (WWP Prague 2000). From the list above, that would be Uffz Paul Mang, 9./JG-53
Quote from publication: "Das is meine arbeit-...he should be Uffz Mang from III/JG-53...and these words were allegedly said at the wreckage of of the B-17G 42-32048 called "Mary" from the 20th BS." |
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
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Re: Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944
I'm sorry for bringing this old thread back to life but still no one able to idetify the pilot in question?
Thank you |
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