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Old 12th October 2017, 17:03
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Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Hi guys

There is a photo of him standing by the tail of his Bf109, which records eight victories. I believe he claimed two in France May 1940 (with 5./JG27), two with 2./JG77 Norway 1941, followed by four at least with 4./JG5 in 1942.

My notes indicate two of these as Hurricanes on 17 Feb 1942 and 4 March 1942. Do we know when he claimed his final (?) two?

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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Dear Brian,
There is a thread devoted to him on the forum: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=22608

Maybe you will find the answer there.
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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

This is what DeZeng and Stankey say about him:
SCHÄFER, Hans-Christian. (DOB: 18.01.14). (n.d.) trf to FFS A/B 119. (n.d.) JFS 2, then JFS 1.
01.01.40 Oblt., appt Staka 5./JG 27 (to 19.05.40). 11.05.40 Oblt., 5./JG 27. 19.05.40 Oblt., 5./JG 27
POW/badly WIA – Bf 109 E-3 (1 + -) shot down by a Hurricane of 87 Sqdn. in the Lille area, bailed
out SE of La Bassée and captured. Repatriated after the armistice? 06.41 appt Staka 2./JG 77.
02.09.41 Hptm., 2./JG 77. 09.41 Hptm., appt Staka 13./JG 77. 11.41 Hptm., appt Staka
13./JGr.z.b.V. (to at least 05.12.41). 06.12.41 re-appt Staka 13./JG 77. 10.01.42 (25.01.42?) appt
Staka 4./JG 5 (to 1942). 04.03.42 Hptm., 4./JG 5. 03.43 trf from JG 5 to Stab/JG 3. 25.04.43
Hptm., in Stab/JG 3, WIA - by a land mine explosion near cliffs S of Anapa. 12.05.43 subsequently
died of wounds in hospital in Kerch. Buried at Sevastopol. Credited with 4 victories.
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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Many thanks, Teresa Maria

Much appreciated

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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Hi

Claims I have are as follows, only the first two are covered on the mikrofilms, the other I cannot be sure of:-

10th May 1940 5./JG 27 Blenheim West of Nijmegen 1350 hrs Nr.1
11th May 1940 5./JG 27 Hurricane Rotterdam 1800 hrs Nr.2
2nd September 1941 2./JG 77 Beaufort SW Stavanger Nr.3
14th October 1941 2./JG 77 Blenheim Egersund area Nr.4
17th February 1942 4./JG 5 Hurricane(Sowiet) Tuloma 1120 hrs Nr.5
4th March 1943 4./JG 5 Hurricane(Sowiet) Luostari airstrip area 1533 hrs Nr.6

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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Hi Guys

I have just had the opportunity to view Schäfer's rudder, and I am informed it is Schäfer's. Seems he made eight claims in all.

I zoomed in and played around with the image as much as I can, and can say that as we know numbers 1 & 2 are marked as claimed in the West(JG 27), the next four I cannot be certain but appear also to be against Western aircraft, the seventh is for sure carrying the Sowiet star, and cannot be sure on the eighth, but likely also Sowiet. Sometimes unconfirmed claims were included on the rudder markings.......Herbert Rollwage's for sure, by memory his third claim, and marking was unconfirmed, and was marked as so.

I would say that with all likelihood Schäfer had eight confirmed claims, two with JG 27, four with JG 77 and two with JG 5. However I do not believe(or cannot make-out) dates on the rudder claims bars, so cannot confirm those I listed except those with JG 27. Perhaps somebody more computer literate than myself can play with the photo.

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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Thanks, Johannes

Much appreciated.

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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Hi Brian

How absolutely sure are you that this is Schäfer's rudder? I only ask because there is the possibility that the last six claims on the rudder are marked with the Sowiet star !

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Re: Hptm Hans-Christian Schafer JG5

Hi Johannes

I'm not certain! I found the picture on Pinterest images, with his name so attributed.

Are you able to scan so that other members can see and offer suggestions?

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Hi Brian

I can scan, but have never established how to add files on TOCH. Any suggestions?

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