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Old 9th March 2022, 13:34
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Need help - SKG210 claims, II.(S)/LG2 losses 1941
Could somebody help me with number of claims of SKG 210 by month for 1941 or maybe claim list for 1941? And also II.(S)/LG 2 loss list for 1941?

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Re: Need help - SKG210 claims, II.(S)/LG2 losses 1941
As to II.(S)/LG 2 losses I counted 87 from G.Qu.6.Abt. Meldungen:
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3256 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 60 % ,
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6312 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Zusammenstoss beim Start Hs-123B-1 0938 , 90 % ,
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5400 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 60 % ,
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 2794 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 45 % ,
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1399 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 30 % ,
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5329 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 40 % ,
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 699 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL , 90 % ,
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1635 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , unbek. , 100 % , Lt Topp Emil
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5937 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , unbek. , 100 % , Uffz Wolf Fritz
22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 820 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , unbek. , 100 % , Uffz Bodden Willi
23.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6346 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Absturz , 100 % , Fw Klowski Norbert verstorben 23.07.41
23.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1090 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL , 20 % ,
23.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5015 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL , 50 % ,
23.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4029 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL , 10 % ,
24.06.41? , Bf109E-4 W.Nr. 1254 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL , 45 % ,
25.06.41? , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1254 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Rollschaden , 60 % ,
26.06.41? , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5806 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 90 % ,
28.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6097 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , unbek. , 100 % , Lt Sieben Hans
01.07.41? , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3527 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL tech. Mangel , 100 % ,
?.07.1941 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6426 , 4.(Sch.)/LG3 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 60 % ,
04.07.41? , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6070 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL Feindbeschuss , 100 % ,
04.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3331 , 5.(Sch.)/LG5 , Motorschaden , 90 % ,
04.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1221 , 6.(Sch.)/LG6 , vermut. Flakbeschuss , 100 % , Uffz Wollmer Alfred verl.
06.07.41? , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3631 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 25 % ,
08.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5211 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 30 % ,
08.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 868 , 5.(Sch.)/LG5 , Flakbeschuss , 100 % , Gefr Ristau Günther gef.
10.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3301 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , NL Feindbeschuss , 20 % ,
11.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3649 , 4.(Sch.)/LG4 , Feindbeschuss , 100 % , Gefr Hilber Hans
14.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3329 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , NL Brennstoffmangel , 100 % , Fw Kohl Heinz
16.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6392 , 6.(Sch.)/LG4 , tech. Mängel , 40 % ,
17.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5233 , 6.(Sch.)/LG4 , Motorstörung , 30 % ,
20.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 669 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Feindbeschuss , 100 % ,
24.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3376 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 15 % ,
26.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5114 , 4.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 100 % ,
26.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3342 , 6.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 90 % ,
27.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 944 , 4.(Sch.)/LG4 , Reifenschaden , 20 % ,
27.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3195 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , LK , 100 % , Ogefr Onboss Friedrich gef.
27.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5572 , 6.(Sch.)/LG4 , , 100 % , Lt Ludwig Bernhard
27.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5007 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , LK , 60 % ,
29.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6231 , 4.(Sch.)/LG4 , LK , 100 % , Fw Criech Hans verm.
29.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5801 , 5.(Sch.)/LG4 , , 100 % , Uffz Thomas Wilhelm gef.
31.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5048 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL , 35 % ,
31.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6345 , 4.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 35 % ,
31.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4916 , 6.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 15 % ,
31.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6059 , 6.(Sch.)/LG4 , , 80 % ,
31.07.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 807 , 6.(Sch.)/LG4 , BrL , 25 % ,
05.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1421 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Fehlstart , 35 % ,
07.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5378 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Jägerbeschuss , 100 % , Fw Marten Karl verm.
10.08.41 , Bf109F-2 W.Nr. 1976 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Fehlstart , 30 % ,
16.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6357 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , Motorstörung , 80 % ,
19.08.41 , Bf109 W.Nr. 6216 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , LK , 100 % , Lt Rietenbach Herbert verl.
20.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4184 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , unbek. , 100 % , Ofhr Wollmann Horst gef.
21.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5894 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL , 30 % ,
25.08.41 , Bf109E W.Nr. 6018 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Jagerbeschuss , 35 % ,
25.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3455 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Бомбардировка , 100 % ,
25.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 926 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , Бомбардировка , 100 % ,
27.08.41 , Bf109D W.Nr. 1961 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Fehlstart , 35 % ,
29.08.41 , Bf109 W.Nr. 1532 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , Fehlstart , 100 % , Gefr Mader Theodor gef.
29.08.41 , Bf109E W.Nr. 3421 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , unbek. , 100 % , Uffz Hägner Willi verm.
02.09.41 , Bf109 W.Nr. 3205 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL , 100 % ,
05.09.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4916 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , Feindbeschuss , 50 % , Lt Kehlmann Gottfried verl.
17.09.41 , Bf109E-7Trop W.Nr. 3895 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Absturz , 100 % , Oblt Rasch Hans gef.
19.09.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1286 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Hindernisberuehrung , 75 % ,
22.09.41 , Fw189A-1 W.Nr. 177 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Motorstörung , 45 % ,
27.09.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3475 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Rollschaden , 50 % ,
03.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4166 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 90 % ,
06.10.41 , Hs123 W.Nr. 2322 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , Столкновение с препятствием , 50 % ,
06.10.41 , Bf109 W.Nr. 5150 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Rollschaden , 80 % ,
11.10.41 , Klemm35 W.Nr. 3022 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , Absturz , 85 % , Ogefr Rentschler gef.
11.10.41 , Klemm35 W.Nr. 1908 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , Motorstörung , 35 % ,
14.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6416 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Motorstörung , 100 % , Lt Frank Heinz
14.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4152 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , , 0 % , Uffz Zeleske Heinrich
14.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3639 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , , 0 % , Lt Sieben Joachim
18.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4846 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , Feindbeschuss , 25 % ,
18.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3797 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL inf. Feindbeschuss , 25 % ,
18.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 6021 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Feindbeschuss , 25 % ,
18.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 4923 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL inf. tech. Mangel , 20 % ,
21.10.41 , Bf109E-4 W.Nr. 5093 , 3.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL inf. Feindbeschuss , 30 % ,
25.10.41 , Bf109E W.Nr. 415 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Flakbeschuss , 30 % ,
25.10.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1994 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Absturz , 100 % , Fw Drews Kurt gef.
31.10.41 , Klemm35 W.Nr. 1807 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL inf. Motorstoerung , 80 % ,
18.11.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3280 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , BrL , 20 % ,
26.11.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3545 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL inf. Schlechtwetter , 25 % ,
30.11.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3338 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL inf. Flakbeschuss , 20 % ,
13.12.41 , Bf109 W.Nr. 6052 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL inf. Schlechtwetter , 25 % ,
17.12.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3543 , 4./(Sch.)/LG2 , Fehlstart , 100 % ,
22.12.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 3044 , 4.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL inf. Schlechtwetter , 30 %

Maybe I missed something

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Re: Need help - SKG210 claims, II.(S)/LG2 losses 1941
Nice info!
Some of the Bf109 W.Nr seem to clash with other losses:

22.06.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 1399 , II.(Sch.)/LG2 , beim Start ausgebrochen , 30 % ,
>> Lost with I./LG2 on 31.08.40?

21.08.41 , Bf109E-7 W.Nr. 5894 , 6.(Sch.)/LG2 , NL , 30 % ,
>> shot down with III./JG53 on 23.09.40?

17.09.41 , Bf109E-7Trop W.Nr. 3895 , Stab II.(Sch.)/LG2 , Absturz , 100 % , Oblt Rasch Hans gef.
>> shot down as 3 + - of 6./JG27 on 30.09.40?

Or am I mistaken?
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31.08.40 I.(J)/LG2 W.Nr.1399 – Bruchlandung am Strand, 60% - maybe repaired?

23.09.40 III./JG53 W.Nr.5894 – Bruchlandung, Wissant, 100%, pilot alive – nevertheless repaired?

30.09.40 II./JG27 W.Nr.3859, not 3895
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31.08.40 - A damage category of 60-80% meant aircraft unusable, usable parts salvaged. Anyone know of other aircraft with > 60% damage being repaired?
23.09.40 - 100% damaged was a total write off, over sea or enemy territory, so I think this one is still a problem.
30.09.40 - Thanks for correcting the third one.
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Dmitry

Not sure if you got carried away a bit with your list, but you have listed 109s from both LG 3, 4, 5 and 6, none of which existed.
I assume they are all from LG 2 as per your heading?

Can you also please advise what BrL and NL stand for?

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Can you also please advise what BrL and NL stand for?

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Bruchlandung (crash landing) and Notlandung (forced landing)?
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Sorry for my typo - certainly LG2.
Nick Beale correctly decipher my abbreviation.
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Sorry for my typo - certainly LG2.
Nick Beale correctly decipher my abbreviation.
Thanks Nick and Dmitry

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10.08.41 , Bf109F-2 W.Nr. 1976 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Fehlstart , 30 % ,
27.08.41 , Bf109D W.Nr. 1961 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Fehlstart , 35 % ,
25.10.41 , Bf109E W.Nr. 415 , 5.(Sch.)/LG2 , Flakbeschuss , 30 % ,
BR
Hallo again
After going through the list I found at least three aircraft which creates a problem.
WNr 1976 is an E-model (most likely cv to E-7 as all the other)
WNr 1961 as above
WNr 415 is an old B-1 and cannot have been in use by II.(Sch)/LG 2.
My guess is one digit is missing, most likely 4x15 where x is the missing digit.
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