Captured Fw190 photo

[John Manrho]

I have the correct Wnr for schwarze 3 at home, will check later.

John

[pikas]

This one?

[pikas]

[pikas]

[John Manrho]

Werknummer is indeed 601090 for schwarze 3. If this picture is taken at Halle than we have no other candidate than this D-9

[Broncazonk]

Does the aircraft in the first photo (the one surrounded by Russians) have a center-line drop tank mount attached to it? I don't see it. The photos of Black 3 clearly show the aircraft with the ETC-501 attached. (I'm not saying that it's not there, I just can't make it out.)

Also, the aircraft with the Russians appears to be missing the rear fuel tank cover.

Bronc

P.S. That is an ETC-501, isn't it?

[Kutscha]

Yes Bronc it is there but hanging down from the rear. Beside the guy sitting on the tire.

[Broncazonk]

Yep. It's obvious once you point it out: hanging vertically, nose down, showing the right and inside of the mount. (I knew something was there, but I couldn't make it out.)

That means the front fuel tank (self-sealing bag) cover is missing from the belly of the aircraft. And the rear cover appears to be missing as well.

Not the same aircraft as Black 3?

Bronc

[David E. Brown]

Gents,

No doubt that this machine is WNr.601095. What is interesting is that its fuselage cross is white as years ago it was assumed that only 601xxx series aircraft had it painted black. However, based on this and a few other rare images of other aircraft, it seems that the first group of machines up to ca. 601100 wore white ones. A second point would be that the painted over area underneath the '3' suggests its previous number was '17'. John, perhaps you might have this kite somewhere in your files under this older number.

Regarding its original identity as WNr.600422, I think it is based on the attached image. Note that it does look like a "22" is seen on the top of the fin, and with the presumed exclusive use of the white balkenkreuz for 600000 series aircraft, then I suppose it was natural to interpret the full werknummer as 600422.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

David

[Broncazonk]

The flare chute on the D9 with the Russians is highlighted by a circle of white. This feature is denoted by the Red A in the photograph. The flare chute on Black 3 is also visible, you can clearly see the circle, but it has NOT been highlighted in white, look below the Red A in that photo. And interestingly enough, the normal oval opening does not appear to be present on Black 3's flare chute, but it's obvious and distinct on the D9 that the Russians are sitting on.

The 232-liter fuel fill flap on the D9 with the Russians has also been highlighted with a white ring. This feature, denoted B, is NOT present on Black 3.

The canopy slide screw on the D9 with the Russians is unremarkable. (Denoted C ) But the canopy slide screw on Black 3 must have been repeatedly adjusted, note the bare metal on the head of the screw, and the wear mark (going to bare metal) immediately below it.

These are NOT the same aircraft.