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Old 28th October 2011, 02:11
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Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Hello all,

At the Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces part of this TOCH, there is a thread about a He219 wreck in the Skagerak, just north of the Danish northern coast line.

A rough estimate about its likely crash date, would be "after September 1944" because this wreck has tyres with (copied) US type profile.

My question is therefore if anyone knows of Allied (daylight?) claims over this area related to a He219 ? It might be that such a claim is known for years but - without a documented loss - has been put aside all those years as 'uncredible'. Perhaps there is a match.

All the best, Marcel Hogenhuis (He219 research project)

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Old 28th October 2011, 06:27
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Might also have been claimed as a 110...
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Old 28th October 2011, 18:41
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Hello Mark,

Could be possible but at daylight recognition should be expected better I guess...

All the best, Marcel
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Old 28th October 2011, 22:10
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Consider how many Allied aircraft were shot down by other Allied aircraft. Aircraft recognition was not as easy for a wartime pilot as it is for us chairbound enthusiasts. The He219 cannot have been a well-known type to the Allies.
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Old 28th October 2011, 22:38
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Here a recognition sheet of the RAF of the He 219 issued June 1st, 1944.
It was the second issue.
Although the drawing was not 100% perfect, the type was known with the crews.

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Old 29th October 2011, 11:54
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Hi,
The skies of the Skagerak were a fairly busy place in late 1944. Due to heavy German shipping activity, the allies flew numerous anti-shipping missions in the area. A hapless He219 (on transit to/from Norway) could have been caught in the middle of this.
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Old 30th October 2011, 12:57
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

From the extensive site "Air war over Denmark" by Soren Flensted, on 21 May 1944 a He 219 was shot down by a Mosquito on a Day Ranger and claimed as a "LeO 45".

The only two other He 219 listed on this site were lost due to accidents without enemy action.
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Dear Jaap, Michaël and Laurent,

Many thanks for your thoughts and comments: as this He219 wreck has been found in the shallow waters of the northern coast of Denmark, it bears no relation to the crashes already known which makes it quite a challenge to find its identity.

We will keep the TOCH and other forums informed! All the best, Marcel
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Why does it have to be a daylight claim ??
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Old 2nd November 2011, 17:22
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Re: Allied daylight claims of a He219 ?

Hello Delmenhorst,

You are right: it doesn't neccessarily have been a daylight victory but...

1) for a nocturnal claim one would expect that it was claimed by one of the many Mosquito's chasing around and Mark Huxtable's magnificent work about Mosquito claims gives no hits (yet)
2) a lucky rear gunner's claim is also possible but I have no knowledge about their successes in this phase of the war. Before seeking the proverbial needle in the haystack, I tried option 3
3) giving the limitations of no 1 and 2, it was worth trying - even if that sounds pretty desperate - to hear if someone had an 'Eureka' moment about He219 claims by daylight.

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