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Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
Hi all
I am going through a Flugbuch relating to 5./SKG 210 and have found a couple of references in late 1941 to air battles with 'J 18'. I cannot find any reference to this aircraft type and wondered if anyone can identify what this might be. Any help will be much appreciated.
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Best wishes Tim O. Looking for any information or documents relating to: Alfred Schmittka 5./KG 54; Josef Harmeling 4.(Schlacht)/LG 2; Wilhelm Gaul 1./106, 2./906 & III./KG 40; Karl Müller I./KG 2; Werner Breese 5.(F)/122 |
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
Hello Tim,
there were different designations for the same type. In this case I-200, I-17 and I-18 for MiG-1. Source: JFV part 6/I page 11. Regards Leo |
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
Thanks Leo. Unfortunately I know next to nothing about Russian aircraft!
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Best wishes Tim O. Looking for any information or documents relating to: Alfred Schmittka 5./KG 54; Josef Harmeling 4.(Schlacht)/LG 2; Wilhelm Gaul 1./106, 2./906 & III./KG 40; Karl Müller I./KG 2; Werner Breese 5.(F)/122 |
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
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The I-17 was a Polikarpov design designation and was used for three different prototypes between 1933 and 1936. The last version of this was built with an inline water cooled engine similar to the later MiGs. It was on display at the Paris Air Show in 1936 and never put into production. The Luftwaffe intell people probably thought the MiG was an out growth of the I-17 hence their designation and because of its similar appearance to the MiG. The was no I-18 (which was another Polikarpov project and was a study only). The I-18 designation is something the Germans cooked up on their own. The MiG was designed by the team A. I. Mikoyan and M. I. Gurevich and was an entirely new design not related to Polikarpov's work. It was originally designated I-61 but a few months later changed to I-200. It was produced at Fili (Moscow) one of the factories that Ashenbrenner was shown in April 1941. All of this info comes from Lennart Anderssen's "Soviet Aircraft and Aviation 1917-1941". Hope that helps a little oquaig |
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
Thanks again Oquaig
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Best wishes Tim O. Looking for any information or documents relating to: Alfred Schmittka 5./KG 54; Josef Harmeling 4.(Schlacht)/LG 2; Wilhelm Gaul 1./106, 2./906 & III./KG 40; Karl Müller I./KG 2; Werner Breese 5.(F)/122 |
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
It might also have something to do with how things sound in German. I've seen Yak-1 (as it would be in English) reported as Jak-1 for example, and Jl-2 for Il-2.
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
This hasn't to do how sounds things in German --- J is the handwritten form of the letter I (and the printed J) and I is the printed form of the letter I.
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
Thanks again gentlemen.
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Best wishes Tim O. Looking for any information or documents relating to: Alfred Schmittka 5./KG 54; Josef Harmeling 4.(Schlacht)/LG 2; Wilhelm Gaul 1./106, 2./906 & III./KG 40; Karl Müller I./KG 2; Werner Breese 5.(F)/122 |
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
And in the case of Jak/Yak … ?
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'
Hi Nick
For what it is worth, my experience is also that a number of spellings in Flugbuche reflect German phonetics, particularly Russian place names, which can almost magically appear if we replace J with Y and Z with TS, etc.
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Best wishes Tim O. Looking for any information or documents relating to: Alfred Schmittka 5./KG 54; Josef Harmeling 4.(Schlacht)/LG 2; Wilhelm Gaul 1./106, 2./906 & III./KG 40; Karl Müller I./KG 2; Werner Breese 5.(F)/122 |
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