Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Allied and Soviet Air Forces

Allied and Soviet Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the Air Forces of the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 24th November 2020, 20:36
researcher111's Avatar
researcher111 researcher111 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,040
researcher111 will become famous soon enough
Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

On Sept 25, 1944 a Soviet Boston DB-7 of the Black
Sea Fleet torpedo equipped which departed Gelenjik or Sevastopol
arrived all the way to Greece and later on was brought down by AA
near Saloniki . The crew of 3 did not intend to defect anywhere
nor was on a given mission on the Med Sea . Weather was very
good. As of today no info on this incident. Any idea what gone
wrong ? Entire crew is listed KIA

Alex K
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 24th November 2020, 23:47
Kari Lumppio Kari Lumppio is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Espoo, Finland
Posts: 496
Kari Lumppio is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Hallo!

Pure, uneducated GUESS. They flew accidentally reciprocal heading/course (180 degrees wrong).

Cheers,
Kari
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 25th November 2020, 00:39
researcher111's Avatar
researcher111 researcher111 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,040
researcher111 will become famous soon enough
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Hi there ,

I tend to agree on the 180 reversal in the event on the pre flt. check
he and his navigator consumed too much Vodka , or simply being upset with
the system decided to follow some of his comrades who in 1941defected
to Turkey . Though it would be quite unsual that the A-20 be fully
tanked for such distance ( due to above issue) and then two
days after his death he was posthumously awarded the order
of Red Banner . One revision though , it was a crew of four .

Cheers
Alex K
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 25th November 2020, 13:03
BrianC BrianC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 310
BrianC is on a distinguished road
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Very interesting, Alex

Do you know the identities of the crew?

And when you state 'shot down by Greek AA' are you able to clarify?


Take care, stay safe
Brian
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 25th November 2020, 17:45
researcher111's Avatar
researcher111 researcher111 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,040
researcher111 will become famous soon enough
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Hello Brian

Yes I know the identity of the pilot and nav , Lt Moslonov
and 2nd Lt.Klimtschuk . I did not say brought down by
Greek AA but over Saloniki , unable to clarify more details
the mission remains classified or hidden to public.

On Sept 1944 Black Sea Air Fleet were enganged
in Bulgaria so my first thought was that they headed for
Varna at high altitude from one of the Black Sea Fleet bases
such as Gelendjik for recon , then switched auto pilot followed by
oxygen supply issue at higher altitude leading to crew's
hypoxia and crew became incapacitated, that may explain
that none of the four crew attempted to bail out over Saloniki .

On August 2005 Helios Airline of Cyprus gone through such
mishap, though I may be wrong , so who knows .

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15206047

So I am still in dark

Cheers
Alex
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25th November 2020, 18:12
BrianC BrianC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 310
BrianC is on a distinguished road
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Many thanks, Alex

I interpreted 'brought down by AA near Salonika' to mean shot down by AA.

Anyway, thanks for the additional details.

Take care, stay safe
Brian
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 25th November 2020, 22:42
researcher111's Avatar
researcher111 researcher111 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,040
researcher111 will become famous soon enough
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Sure thing , thanks and be well too !

Alex
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26th November 2020, 02:07
Franek Grabowski Franek Grabowski is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Posts: 2,155
Franek Grabowski
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Is it possible the aircraft was on a special recon mission to Greece?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 26th November 2020, 02:43
researcher111's Avatar
researcher111 researcher111 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,040
researcher111 will become famous soon enough
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Maybe recon but the likelihood is very low eventhough
it was a recon sqd , but if recon I believe the target was
in Bulgaria rather Greece.

Alex K
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 26th November 2020, 21:44
Zoran Petek Zoran Petek is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 100
Zoran Petek is on a distinguished road
Re: Boston DB-7 Shot down Saloniki Sept 25,1944

Hello,
Black Sea Fleet (ChF) was on that day no longer part of the active units engaged with the enemy forces.
But 244 BAD, 17 VA, with Bostons, was based in Bulgaria:
as on 6.9. HQ 244 BAD Dorobani
260 BAP Boston Maltezi
449 BAP Boston Dorobani, Urlyaska from 7.9.
860 BAP Boston Maltezi
861 BAP Boston Dorobani
17.9.1944. Bombing Skopje and Niš. Recce: Čačak, Kruševac, Kraljevo,
Niš, Veles and Saloniki. On the same day part of 244 BAD moved to Vrazhdebna near Sofia.
18.9.1944. Bombing Skopje.
19.9.1944. Bombing Saloniki (railways and harbour) and Skopje.
As on 1.10.1944.:
HQ 244 BAD Bela Slatina
260 BAP Boston Malorac
449 BAP Boston Vrazhdebna (Sofia)
860 BAP Boston Graf Ignyatevo (Plovdiv)
861 BAP Boston Bela Slatina

Zoran
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Friendly fire WWII Brian Allied and Soviet Air Forces 792 28th October 2020 19:26
Most One Sided Luftwaffe Victory over the 8th Air Force Rob Romero Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 22 18th August 2010 23:55
VVS operations 6-8 may & 8-10 june 1943, claims and losses. Evgeny Velichko Allied and Soviet Air Forces 78 18th August 2009 16:16
B-17f--#42-30203 Shot Down 6 Sept 1943 kdkutt Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 6th August 2009 16:37
Russian Lend/Lease Boston shot down near Kobbfjord, Northern Norway 1944 flyvrak Allied and Soviet Air Forces 0 15th March 2008 01:55


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:47.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net