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Heavy bomber aces
Good morning Gentlemen,
in WW2 heavy bomber pilots usually were not credited with the kills of their gunners. But if they were, who would be the top scoring pilots of their plane types respectively ? These are my suggestions:
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Re: Heavy bomber aces
While I can add nothing further to the topic, I ran across a document I discovered at the U.S. Air Force Museum over 30 years ago when going through their files. It was a listing of aces from the various theaters of operations and also included some bomber gunners. Their names and details follow, but again, others will have to supply units, pilots, if the information is accurate, etc. I will type them word-for-word as shown on the sheets.
China-Burma-India (Includes 14th and 10th AFs) Benko, Arthur J., S/Sgt. Bisbee, Ariz. 9 Gouldthrite, George W., T/Sgt. Spokane, Wash. 5 Thirteenth Air Force (Including crew members credited with 5 EAD) Agnew, John W., S/Sgt. 5 Bowen, Wilbur L., T/Sgt. 5 Cielinski, Joseph J., S/Sgt. 5 Held, Charles F., Jr., S/Sgt. 5 Lee, Harold E., S./Sgt. 5 O'Brien, Frank, Jr. T/Sgt. 5 Stefanski, Edward J., Sgt. 5 Twelfth Air Force Bruner, Robert M., T/Sgt. Dixon, California 6 Goerard, Jack D., S/Sgt. Beaufort, S.C. 6 Bowkar, Fred E., Sgt. Oak Park, Illinois 5 Myshall, Joseph E., S/Sgt. Millinocket, Maine 5 Twelfth Bomber Command Warner, Benjamin F., S/Sgt. San Francisco, California 9 Kent |
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Re: Heavy bomber aces
Good morning Kent,
thanks for your list. I remember some fellow told me Benko's score might have been only 9. My impression of his score being 16 is from Christophe Cony's article "Les Dessous de l'Histoire N°5: Arthur Benko et the Goon" in AVIONS #198. The article features a photo of Benko's B-24 adorned with 16 victory symbols and a photo of a monument in Arizona that acknowledges 16 kills for Benko. Have a nice Thursday, Michael |
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Re: Heavy bomber aces
Good evening,
did Short Stirling gunners ever shoot anything down ? Cheers, Michael |
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Re: Heavy bomber aces
Does evidence mean nothing to you?
I demonstrated, using multiple original sources, that Engbrecht/Gillanders claimed 6 and 1 probable between them that were accepted and documented by Bomber Command and still you peddle 9. NB that is 6,1,0 with no attempt to reconcile with reality. Reality is very likely less than that. Why bother with finding the truth when you can just carry on collecting fanciful data til the cows come home Did Stirling crews make any claims? Oh please Martin |
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Re: Heavy bomber aces
I learned to mistrust those who lay claim on reality and also those who define their opinions as evidence. Luckily, they can easily be identified by their aggressive wording. Then it's easy to ignore them.
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