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Old 25th August 2012, 12:41
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

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Why should I?
combined to the unusually placed aircraft number and its unusual shape...) in Holzkirchen, would they have drawn up the same conclusion?

I seriously doubt so.

So we have educated guesswork lacking all the info or - at least - one part of the info and making an hypothetical deduction which was based on one single photo.

We, instead have two images of W.Nr. 464463 (you can check them side by side, if you want). Would you drew up the same conclusion...?
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Old 25th August 2012, 21:35
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

An exceptional picture, courtesy of Richey4Real, over on LEMB:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...opic=16327&hl=

It does show a gaggle of late-war Bf 109's, listed as follows, from left to the right:

- Bf 109 G-10 or G-14/AS WNr. unknown, "Schwarze 19", II./JG unknown. As the camouflage points, after a closer look, it is a Mtt-Regensburg produced machine. This is also confirmed, if one looks closely, by the last four digits of its WNr. repeated just above the II Gruppe bar. Try as I wish, I can't read them... But this makes me think we might have in fact a Bf109G-14/AS here instead of one of the handfuls Mtt built Bf109 G-10's...

- Bf 109 K-4 WNr. and unit unknown. This is the machine which the front part of the fuselage and the right wing, with the expanded wing bulge, can be seen behind "Schwarze 19"

- Fw 190 A or Fw 190 F WNr. unknown "Schwarze 11", unit unknown.

- Bf 109 G-6 or Bf 109 G-14, no other details to be seen. This is the plane we see pointed towards the photographer. Note the old style cowling bulges on the engine cowling dumped on the ground near its port wing.

- Bf 109 G-14 WNr. unknown "Weisse 12", 1./ JG unknown. The camouflage speaks for a Mtt-Regensburg built Bf09 G-14 in the 780000 - 785000 WNr. range. There are two RV color bands; only the one in front is to be fully seen; its dark color, combined with the medium get tone to be seen on the picture can match with JG5 (black and yellow). No Staffel of this unit is known to have been based anywhere else but Norway in 1945, so this is a tough nut to verify... That is unless the colors are those of JG 7, for which no known Bf109G has been documented so far.

- Bf109 G-10 WNr. 150.67, unit unknown. We see only the mutilated tail and the fortunately almost intact rudder which still sports five of the 6 WNr. digit.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Any idea about the BF 109 G-14 "Weisse 12" unit? I do see the RV two bands as black/yellow (JG 5) or Blue/Red (JG 7)...both would be a real surprise.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Folks,
I just chanced on a pack of 9 unknown to me photos depicting the Bf 109 G-10's from II./JG 52 which landed 8 May 1945 at Neubiberg, the thread below as an example:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Also many other Bf 109 G and K wrecks at location unknown, the thread below as an example:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

They all stem from this quite fantastic even if old thread over on wehrmacht.awards.com:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=107900
Prominent about the wrecks are a dozen+ yet unpublished pictures of Brunnthal's collection point...

Enjoy
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Thanks to Tomas Prusa, I'm able to present a new and very informative picture of Bf 109 G-6 "Schwarze 27" 2./JG 3, said to have been taken near Coremilles-en-Vexin after US take over in Summer 1944. This picture shows not only the fuselage but also the dismantled right wing stored nearby, and the tailplane propped up awkwardly against the rear fuselage.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Another picture of "Schwarze 27" is published in Prien and Rodeike 1995, p. 134. This new picture show it's not standing alone. We can see another half dismantled DB 605 lying in front of the plane's engine and a still crated BMW 801 on its left. The tall concrete pillar in the back speaks of an hangar which part of the metallic structure lies twisted in a heap on the ground, on the far left of the picture.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hi Guys,

Ah, that one!
Cormeilles sounds good since JG 2 was flying Fw 190A down there during the same indicated time frame. Not I./ JG 3.
Schwarze 27 did came necessarily from another place (Frières, closest by crow flight) and made a belly landing?
What's Prien's picture source, US or LW crew? makes a strong difference.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

hmmmm...
I'm afraid that's not enough! That DB 605 doesn't plead for Cormeilles I'm afraid.
Left Fl.Pl. Frières and JG 4 or JG 5 for that BMW 801.
Here we have all the items in same time frame.
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Prototype K detail photos
http://www.ebay.de/sch/m.html?item=1...&_skc=50&rt=nc

interest is personal PM40 gun.....only maket wood

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Many many thanks, Unikum!

I appreciate this extraordinary serie.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hi Marc and Guys,

Sure these picture are quite interesting. Ed did say in his daily chronicle that He never saw these pictures - dated 9th of August 1943 at WNF - before.
Well:
Here is one link:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7024
and source:
http://www.me109.info/display-quelle.php?id=22 published in 1999.
Personnally I downloaded them on 1 May 2009 on net.

"Galland" hood is quite amazing.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Thanks Franck for you precisions. Which chronicles of Ed are you talking about?

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