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Old 12th April 2008, 23:11
Dénes Bernád Dénes Bernád is offline
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Tail Markings on Soviet Warplanes (1941)

While assembling the photomaterial for my two-volume book on the air war in Bessarabia and Southern Ukraine in 1941, I came across many photos of Soviet aircraft types with various tail markings, mostly coloured lines painted on the the fin-and-rudder.
I assumed - and mentioned it accordingly in the book - these markings denoted various VVS units.

I am wondering if any research has been made in this regards and if yes, what are the conclusions.
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Old 14th April 2008, 09:29
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Re: Tail Markings on Soviet Warplanes (1941)

Well, it is hard to say, not knowing what particular markings do you have in mind.
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Old 14th April 2008, 23:10
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Re: Tail Markings on Soviet Warplanes (1941)

As I said, 'various tail markings, mostly coloured lines painted on the the fin-and-rudder.'
There are e.g., lines on the top of fin-and-rudder, or painted in an angle, or curved lines on the rudder, etc., etc. Just check the period photos.

I am wondering about the actual meaning of all these 'decorations'...
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Old 15th April 2008, 04:18
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As noted, there were several markings. Generally spinner and tail tips denoted Eskadrilya, blue red and yellow being used in various sequences. There is a discussion as to what lightning denoted, but I believe it was marking of a master crew.
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Re: Tail Markings on Soviet Warplanes (1941)

That's exactly what I am interested in, namely what markings denoted which basic unit (squadron)? Please add to my 'wish list' the various coloured rear fuselage rings (including yellow!).

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...what lightning denoted, but I believe it was marking of a master crew.
I very much doubt this, as I have photos of I-16s with various tail numbers, all sporting yellow (?) lightning on the fin-and-rudder base. It was rather a unit marking (but which one?).
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That's exactly what I am interested in, namely what markings denoted which basic unit (squadron)? Please add to my 'wish list' the various coloured rear fuselage rings (including yellow!).
Is yellow confirmed by a colour photograph? Tips denoted Eskadrilyas (flights?), rings could be Divizya markings, this varied over the war. There was no constant order of colour within units, eg. red - 1, yellow -2, blue - 3, green -4 like in the RAF.
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I very much doubt this, as I have photos of I-16s with various tail numbers, all sporting yellow (?) lightning on the fin-and-rudder base. It was rather a unit marking (but which one?).
Although 57 GvIAP used yellow lightning as a unit emblem, most of such photos show different aircraft at different locations.
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Re: Tail Markings on Soviet Warplanes (1941)

I would like to revive this thread as I have the same question...Soviet combat aircraft had markings on the top of the rudder, sometimes referred to as the "forage cap". From what I understand the marks identified the regiment the aircraft belonged to (please correct me if I am wrong). Has anyone found out more about these unit symbols or has anyone ever cataloged these unit markings ?

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