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Old 8th August 2014, 20:24
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JG 51 victories (Part 2)

I tried searching for my original post but couldn't seem to find it. If anyone notes a repeat in the future as I know someone has copied them let me know. There are a lot of Russian aviators listed as MIA and more of these are removed from the list every year and given a proper burial. Sometimes just an aircraft is recovered. I find some victories listed in Russian text. I'll try to list them here as related to JG 51. I'll list only the name of the "Soviet" pilot instead of the entire crew of bombers when I can determine them.

12 Oct 1941
Pe-2 57 SBAP (deputy AE co.) Lt. D.D. Gavrilov (bailed and survived) crashed at Medyn'. Attacked by 3 Bf 109 at Ilyinskoe (20 km west of Malyaroslavets).

Lt. Hans Boos Stab IV/JG 51 Pe-2 (46) 14:25 no location given.

This victory matches the Soviet combat mission time of the loss and this was the area that Boos was flying. No other pilots claiming Pe-2 during that time.
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Old 9th August 2014, 04:29
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Nokose, what are you looking for?
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Old 9th August 2014, 05:38
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Hello John, I had a running post with the same title (except the part 2) some years back but it wasn't showing up in my history and not in my search for it.
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Another victory for the 12 Oct 1941. The Pe-2s for that day and area have been identified for Stab/JG 3 and Lt. Boos. Still nothing so far for Lt. Walter Schick 2./JG 51 Pe-2 (7) 13:32.

12 Oct 1941
Pe-2 46 BAP (Flight co.) Lt. Viktor Petrovich Surikov (MIA)
Uffz Franz-Josef Beerenbrock Stab IV/JG 51 Pe-2 (46) 14:25 no location.
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Old 12th August 2014, 00:16
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

The source for these claims came from www.airforce.ru

04 Aug 1942
LaGG-3 5 GIAP Mayor Grigoriy Denisovich Onufrienko
Hptm. Hartmann Grasser Stab/JG 51 LaGG-3 (69) 12:05 PlQu. 47524 at 2500 m.

04 Aug 1942
Lt. Guenther Ruebell Stab II/JG 51 LaGG-3 (37) 12:25 PlQu. 47552 at 2000 m.
According to what I found there it stated that the LaGG-3 5 GIAP Lt. Ibragim Shagiakhmedovich Bikmukhametov rammed Bf 109 F-2 (# 9564). He then returned to his airfield and landed his damaged fighter. It indicated that this was Rueben's Bf 109.
In Prien's JFV 9/II it stated this 5./JG 51 Bf 109 went down in an air battle at Rzhev with the pilot unnamed at 100%. I ran across another post which stated that Onufrienko claimed his 15th victory on the 04 Aug 1942 but what kind of aircraft I don't know.
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

29 Jan 1943 Interception by the 7./JG 51 southeast of Orel.
Lt. Karl-Heinz Weber Pe-2 (27) 08:30 PlQu. 63194
" " Pe-2 (28) 08:31 PlQu. 63332
Fw. Guenther Schack Pe-2 (24) 08:31 PlQu. 63632
" " Pe-2 (25) 08:32 PlQu. 63644
" " Pe-2 (26) 08:33 PlQu 63444
" " Pe-2 (27) 08:34 PlQu. 63444
Uffz. Heinrich Dittlmann Pe-2 (5) 08:32 " 63441
" " Pe-2 (6) 08:34 " 63444

Target Zmeevki and Yarovkino (SE of Orel) by the 527 BAP.
Pe-2 (Fl. co) Lt. Anatoliy Sergeevich Kolcheev (MIA)
Pe-2 (Fl co.) Starshina Mikhail Vasil'evich ? (MIA)
Pe-2 St. Serzhant Vasiliy Nikolavich Paukov (MIA)
Pe-2 Serzhant Yuriy Alekseevich Sokov (MIA)
Pe-2 Lt. Nikolay Evgrafovich Kubykhin (MIA)
Pe-2 (deputy AE co.) Ml. Lt. Petr Dmitrivevich Frolov (MIA)
Pe-2 St. Serzhant Ivan Nikitych Purikov (MIA)
Pe-2 Serzhant Ivan Aleksandrovich Ivanov (MIA)
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Good stuff Nokose -keep it coming!
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Based on a report of the 133 IAP for 10 Jul 1943.

Uffz Rudi Meyer 9./JG 51 LaGG-3 (18) 13:15 at 200 m. 35 Ost/63549
Yak-7B 133 IAP (deputy AE co) Lt. Usam Abdrakhmanovich Mamin was heavily damaged but left the dogfight and returned to his airfield.

Lt. Gerhard Beckh Stab IV/JG 51 MiG-3 (30) 13:20 at 100 m. 35 Ost/53662
Yak-7B 133 IAP St. Serzhant Sergey Ivanovich Silaev (MIA) considering Beckh's PlQu. he either chased Silaev down or it should be 63662.

In this dogfight Lt. Vasiliy Savel'evich Novikov had a Fw 190 shot down off his tail by St. Serzh. Viktor Andreevich Leshchinskiy. Novikov then claimed to have shot down a Fw 190 on turning (Novikov's score list two Fw 190 NW of Ponyri-2 this day). The only known loss is the Fw 190 of Obfw. Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 SE of Ponyri.

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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Returning to the 12.10.41 combats, I have found that Ml.Lt. Dmitrii Vasilevich Kokorev of 124 IAP was KIA. Can anyone confirm if this was Heinrich Kloepper's (11 JG 51) claim for an I-18 at 1605.

Additionally, Adolf Borchers and Bernd Gallowitsch (also of IV Gruppe) claimed PS-84/Li-2s just after midday. Were these from 7 DBAP? Crews of pilots Babayev, Penin, Butylin, Plakhov, Zaitsev and Kozlov all failed to return. could these have actually been TB-3s? One source credits Guenther Luetzow of Stab/JG 3 with claiming one of this type during the day.
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Here is information concerning the beginning of post #8 before the 133 IAP arrived on the 10 Jul 1943. Slt. Lt. Aleksandr Konstantinovich Vinogradov of the 233 IAP had 8 Yak-7B covering the front line of the 13th Army in the region of Ponyri. They had a dogfight with 8 Fw 190 who left into the clouds but came back with 18 Fw 190. In the ensuing dogfight only two Yak-7B came back.
Stabsstaffel/JG 51 Hapt. Diethelm von Eichel-Strieber MiG-3 (20) 13:00 35 Ost/63556 NE Ponyri

7/JG 51 Oblt Karl-Heinz Weber MiG-1 (57) 13:05 63582

10/JG 51 Uffz. Otto Gaiser LaGG-3 (9) 12:50 63513 3 km SW Nikolsoje

12/JG 51 Uffz Heinrich Kopietz LaGG-3 (1) 12:51 63731

12/JG 51 Gefr. Andreas Gail Yak-1 (6) 12:55 63641

12/JG 51 Obfw Hans Pfahler MiG-3 (30) 13:03 35 Ost/63594 (Pfahler did not last but minutes afterwards on arrival of the 133 IAP).
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