New ? photo of a late war 19

[Rémi Baudru]

Bonjour,

A new photo (for me) of a late war 109 :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sna...UAAOSwAvJXA8je

Regards.

Rémi

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Rémi,

This machine is highly interesting: this is the third pic known: here are the other two ones:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7632506648573/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7632506648573/

We are looking here at a very finely mottled Bf 109 G-6/AS "Rote 5". This camouflage type was sported by II./JG 51 machines, but they sported their II. Gruppe bar in front of the tactical number. Anders Hjortsberg suggests rather 6./JG 11 as this unit was known for having original camouflage patterns as well.

This might make sense for the unit, but then comes the issue of the location: the card shown by the seller states Pau, the former Stab and I./JG 101 base close to the Western Pyrénées, a place where no fighting units were ever stationed...

As the picture you found is sold among a batch of RCAF 401 Sqn pictures in Normandy, and that the military personnel seen on all pictures do wear RAF type fatigues, there is a fair chance that this Bf 109 was actually found by 401 RCAF personal...in Normandy. This would fit well with the known bases of II./JG 11...No certitude though

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

....
II./JG11 didn't get its first G-6/AS before 9/44 according Holm site.... When 401RCAF was already away.

Regards, Franck.

PS: I almost forgot; Thanks Rémi!

[Marc-André Haldimann]

So which possible unit then, Franck ?

No clues so far, at least on my side...

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

So which possible unit then, Franck ?

No clues so far, at least on my side...

Cheers
Marc

I have no clue either Marc. I just wrote it's hard with II./JG 11.
From the two best writers I did contact last year ... No positive answer.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hoping for a breakthrough, especially also pinpointing the location...

Cheers
Marc

[Jochen Prien]

Franck,

I think you will find that II./JG 11 received its first G-6/AS much earlier than September 1944 - just look at the well known and widely published a/c of Maj. Specht takein in April 1944 or the other G-6/AS shown in our JG 1/11 history, all photographed well before September.

KR

Jochen Prien

[gilles collaveri]

A remark:

the background looks like Normandy (trees, flat zone,..), much more than Pau area

GC

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Jochen Prien

Franck,

I think you will find that II./JG 11 received its first G-6/AS much earlier than September 1944 - just look at the well known and widely published a/c of Maj. Specht takein in April 1944 or the other G-6/AS shown in our JG 1/11 history, all photographed well before September.

KR

Jochen Prien

Jochen,

Thank you for your comment, I'm going to change this in my mind and in my data.
Do you think it's a possible II./JG11 machine?

Regards, Franck.