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Old 9th June 2023, 01:53
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

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Old 14th June 2023, 11:57
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

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411. The caption on the back of this photograph reads: "Mike Shedlock Bad Aibling, Germany 10/28/45 ME-262 Jet Propelled".

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412. For the Me 262 above, I can only find four long range photos of the collection yard at Bad Aibling. It can be seen here with what appears to be a "white 7" in the fighter unit position ahead of a simple black balkenkreuz on the rear fuselage. I also believe I can see an R4M rack under the wing.

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413. Elsewhere on this forum, David E. Brown has identified this Me 262 as W.Nr. 111704. In the Me 262 Production Log, p. 135, Dan O'Connell gives: "111704 ... Captured by U.S. Troops at Bad Aibling or Neubiburg in May 1945. Coded 'white 7', it is believed to have been delivered to JV 44. The last three digits of the werknummer can be seen in a photo of the starboard side of the rudder." It should be noted that there was an already existing "white 7" of JV 44, W.Nr. 111744, captured at München-Riem.
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Old 14th June 2023, 12:12
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414. This aerial view of the collection yard at Bad Aibling includes a view of Me 262 A-1a
"white 7". There is a glare on the rear of the fuselage that may be reflection from the paint of RVT bands.

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415. This photograph is an enlargement of one of three photographs posted together by Crains Militaria recently on eBay. In this photo the mottling is visible with the "white 7" seen extending down almost to the bottom of the balkenkreuz. Also, the "7" is placed much closer to the balkenkreuz than JV 44's usual gap of half the width of the balkenkreuz. It should be noted that at least two other Me 262s of JG 7 are found on the 26 April list at München-Riem, 500226 (O'Connell, 168) and 500707 (O'Connell, 189).
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Old 14th June 2023, 20:55
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Jim,

This "we.7" was also fitted with underwing launching racks for R4M rockets.

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Old 15th June 2023, 13:01
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Thank you, David. I thought I saw them. It is nice to have the confirmation.

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Old 21st June 2023, 12:05
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416. First flown on 31 March 1944, Me 262 A W.Nr. 130 167 became a Messerschmitt-owned rest aircraft based at its facility at Lechfeld in June of 1944. Designated "V167", it primarily tested at first the Messerschmitt-designed Wikingerschiff bomb racks with their resulting undercarriage stresses in July 1944.


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417. "V167" also tested the Rheinmetall-Borsig R 109-502 RATO boosters beginning on 30 June 1944.


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418. In these two coloured photographs, "V167" is seen in early spring of 1945 at Lechfeld with the melting snow plowed to the side of the runway. Note the looped sensor at the tip of the nose prong.
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Old 21st June 2023, 12:23
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"This was the only prototype to be fitted with a rudder without the counter balance horn," Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume Two, (1998), p. 391. Note the almost 90 degree angle to the bottom of this rudder.


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420. Here, Karl Baur is sitting in the cockpit of "V167" with a good view of the EZ 42 Adler gunsight. It was intended to automatically calculate the deflection angle necessary to hit a target while both aircraft were manoeuvering. Note the heavy wearing of the camouflage paints where the pilot climbed into the cockpit.


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421. The EZ 42 can also be seen in this photo. Faulty installation made the sight useless and it was locked "so as to function like a conventional fixed reflector sight," Smith & Creek, p. 332.
"By the end of March 1945 it had completed 303 flights totalling 50 hours, 25 minutes," Dan O'Connell, Me 262 Production Log, (2005). p. 31.
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1315

411. The caption on the back of this photograph reads: "Mike Shedlock Bad Aibling, Germany 10/28/45 ME-262 Jet Propelled".

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1316

412. For the Me 262 above, I can only find four long range photos of the collection yard at Bad Aibling. It can be seen here with what appears to be a "white 7" in the fighter unit position ahead of a simple black balkenkreuz on the rear fuselage. I also believe I can see an R4M rack under the wing.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1317

413. Elsewhere on this forum, David E. Brown has identified this Me 262 as W.Nr. 111704. In the Me 262 Production Log, p. 135, Dan O'Connell gives: "111704 ... Captured by U.S. Troops at Bad Aibling or Neubiburg in May 1945. Coded 'white 7', it is believed to have been delivered to JV 44. The last three digits of the werknummer can be seen in a photo of the starboard side of the rudder." It should be noted that there was an already existing "white 7" of JV 44, W.Nr. 111744, captured at München-Riem.
David, I remembered that you once stated that this werknummer 111704 never existed. "WNr.111704 appears on the 26 April 1945 Munchen-Riem Werknummer document but is an invalid number (it is one of about ten or so transcription errors)".
So, it did exist after all?

Regards and thanks for sharing the interesting pictures Jim!.
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

I think the confusion way have come from a discussion a long time ago if it was actually 110704 or 111704. 110704 was never an assigned WN but 111704 certainly was.
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

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I think the confusion way have come from a discussion a long time ago if it was actually 110704 or 111704. 110704 was never an assigned WN but 111704 certainly was.
Thanks a lot Dan!

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