Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11th December 2008, 14:33
Dénes Bernád Dénes Bernád is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Hungary
Posts: 1,841
Dénes Bernád is on a distinguished road
Bü 180 Student with enclosed cockpit?

The family of the late Fw. Scholz (see the other thread) gave me a pair of photos showing him in front of a sports airplane with enclosed cockpit.
I would have not recognised the airplane type, if the name would not have been written on the engine cowling: Bücker Student.

I was not aware of the existence of an enclosed cockpit version of Bü 180. Can anyone give us details, incl. possible civilian markings?

Thanks,
__________________
Dénes
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11th December 2008, 14:45
Dénes Bernád Dénes Bernád is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Hungary
Posts: 1,841
Dénes Bernád is on a distinguished road
Re: Bü 180 Student with enclosed cockpit?

After checking THE source on Bücker airplanes, the book by Erwin König, printed by NARA-Verlag in Switzerland, I can give myself a (partial) answer.

There was indeed a version of the Student with enclosed cockpit.
In the book, only photos of D-EBRQ and -ESBS are given. However, my photo shows the first two letters of the civilian code as D-ER_ _. The last letter might be a T, an E or an F.

Does anyone know the full code?

Thanks, again.
__________________
Dénes
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11th December 2008, 20:51
Stig Jarlevik Stig Jarlevik is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,093
Stig Jarlevik will become famous soon enough
Re: Bü 180 Student with enclosed cockpit?

Dénes

I checked what I got on this rather obscure Bücker type which was overshadowed by its side-by-side development, the Bü 181. I don't think many were built. Those I have found in the German civil register are

V-1 D-ELIO WNr 2101 also stated as Model A
V-2 D-EPCS WNr 2102 dito
V-3 D-EBRQ WNr 2103 dito
D-ENVQ WNr 2104 model A to OK-SHA or OK-SHO
D-ESBS model A
D-ECGK model B
D-EDEF model B
D-EDFH model B
D-EQLD model B
D-ESJF model B
D-ETFS WNr 2110 model B
D-EVGR model B

Maybe the A model had an open cockpit and model B the enclosed one?
Nahh, that would be too simple wouldn't it...

Anyone got any more??
Cheers
Stig
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11th December 2008, 21:10
Dénes Bernád Dénes Bernád is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Hungary
Posts: 1,841
Dénes Bernád is on a distinguished road
Re: Bü 180 Student with enclosed cockpit?

Thanks, Stig. I am afraid the picture didn't get much clearer. More details are necessary.

Perhaps my previous post wasn't very precise. In this case let me clarify that D-EBRQ and -ESBS were both the enclosed cockpit version. As for your theory, I am afraid things are never simple.

P.S. One Bü 180 was also exported to Rumania (open cockpit).
__________________
Dénes
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11th December 2008, 21:42
Stig Jarlevik Stig Jarlevik is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,093
Stig Jarlevik will become famous soon enough
Re: Bü 180 Student with enclosed cockpit?

No I guess you are right Dénes

Since the V-3 (aka also model A) D-EBRQ is shown without canopy in the Bücker book, I suppose if you have a photo of it with a closed cockpit, then it is not THAT which makes the difference between A and B models.

When checking Lange (which I should have done in the first place) I suppose we again have the engine as the "villain"....

Model A used a 55 hp Zündapp engine
Model B used a 60 hp Walter Mikron (40 built)

I guess the "greenhouse" then could be put on and off at pretty much the teachers own choice....

Cheers
Stig
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:59.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net