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Old 28th October 2020, 03:15
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What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Dear All,
This site http://www.luftwaffe.cz/budde.html says that Alfred Budde was killed in action on 27 December 1944:

On 27 December 1944, Budde was involved in aerial combat with RAF Spitfires over the Schnee Eifel. His Fw 190 A-8 (W.Nr. 171 002) “Black 10” suffered structural failure of the wings and he was killed in the resulting crash.
Do you happen to know (more or less) the exact time?
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Take off was 10.05 from Vörden. You can do the math....:-)
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Old 28th October 2020, 10:07
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Hello

According to a recent source,he was shot down by P-47 (with Oblt Drexler,Lt Baur-Bargehr) around 10h05/12h00 near Hohenleimbasch (Nürburgring)

I don't know much.
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Old 28th October 2020, 13:48
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Dear John, Dear Michel,
Thank you very much for your answers.

By the way, which Vörden do you mean: Neuenkirchen-Vörden in Germany, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuenkirchen-V%C3%B6rden, or Vorden in the Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorden?
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Old 28th October 2020, 14:26
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

The first one. If you look on google earth some 8 km south you will find the former airfield Vörden. After the war it became a Nike-site and now is a Truppenübungsplatz. You can still see the three runways clearly.

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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

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Hello

According to a recent source,he was shot down by P-47 (with Oblt Drexler,Lt Baur-Bargehr) around 10h05/12h00 near Hohenleimbasch (Nürburgring)

I don't know much.
michel
I, too, read that he was lost in combat with P-47s, though I can't seem to remember where I read it.

In any event, as far as I know there weren't any combats between Spitfires and Fw 190s that day (though I'm happy to be corrected if wrong!).
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Old 28th October 2020, 21:28
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Dear John,
Thank you very much for your explanation. I am looking for Vorden on Google Earth and I cannot find the runways: https://earth.google.com/web/search/...EAhxT8mFU8CU8A
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Old 28th October 2020, 21:36
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Try this in Google Maps:
52.445717, 8.079404
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Old 28th October 2020, 21:42
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Dear Steve,
Thank you very much for the clarification. It's a pity you don't remember where you read it. :-(
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Re: What time was Alfred Budde killed?

Found where I read that he was lost in combat with P-47s: John Weal's JG 54 book published by Osprey. No details given, no source listed, so...
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