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Re: Police Records of aviation related activity in WW2
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This 'incident log' must be different from the truro record office police war diaries, as the diaries were in the record office in the early 80's at least, i don't think the davidstow museum was around then, but please correct me if i am wrong cheers jerry |
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Re: Police Records of aviation related activity in WW2
The records as described to me by Davidstow Moor Museum curator last month, were of a type that recorded incidents related to aviation / air activity, so as mentioned previously, the log mentions crashed aircraft and their location in the respective Counties, but also the tragic death of WAAFs who drowned. To me this sounds like a separate type of incident log than the more commonly known War Diaries kept at local level.
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great, i will pass this info onto someone i know in the UK cheers jerry |
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Re: Police Records of aviation related activity in WW2
Thames Valley Police records at Sulhamstead house Police air accidents reports from 1900s through to the early 1950s. Unfortunately at present due to refurbishment no one can view / access these records.
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Re: Police Records of aviation related activity in WW2
No such luck in East Sussex
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Does the Data Protection Act apply? |
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To be honest the Data Protection Act 1998, recently called General Data Protection Regulations from the EU, now called Data Protection Act 2018 in the UK, has been used as an excuse to lock away a lot of historic data. No doubt someone asked a DPA lawyer who was told the records contained names of deceased persons, and so he messed his pants worrying that they (the deceased) might somehow sue, if their details were made public, not realising that such details are held elsewhere in public registries etc. All they have achieved is frustration for historians who often just need one little bit of info to complete a project! In the UK the DPA 2018 even applies to clubs and societies and there isn't a membership threshold, so that club of 2 persons I'm starting needs a Data Protection Officer! Don't get me started!
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Why the hell would the DPA close crash records for 100 years? Bureaucracy at its utmost
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Am I reading this right? Is it really up to the individual custodian of records to figure it out? Same type of records, same time frames, probably the same forms filled in with the same level of detail and the only reason some are open and others not is because they are held in different counties?
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Re: Police Records of aviation related activity in WW2
It seems that it's down to luck, whether information held by governmental organisations is retained at all as there was masses of 'shelf clearing' of data done in UK from 1970s onwards. What remains as archives that is not in TNA or other sensible Museum may well be at risk if, as mentioned above, a disinterested lawyer gives an opinion. Human nature tells me that if you had to go to the Head Office of an active organisation and asked to go in to their basement and have a good dig around they'd tell you to go away, and so its easier for them to quote GDPR /DPA and not have to deal with such requests in their lifetime! The only way to hold or access data covered by GDPR (in all the countries of the EU) without consent of the data subject is with a Legitimate Interest Exemption (LIE). So you can get details if they relate to you, and possibly if you are the next of kin of a deceased person, but that's about it! Obviously if you are the government you have a LIE in recording any incident in the first place, and can keep the data for as long as you can reasonably justify, but unless there is a specific Government directive to retain data such as Births, Deaths and Marriages, it could be destroyed when 'no longer needed' so there is no certainty it would end up in the TNA. How future generations will be able to research data held only on Computer I don't know!
Individual WW1 service records are withheld from the general public and should become open this year, 100 years after WW1 so I guess WW2 records will be free in 2045. Without getting too political it's the fault of people who write GDPR legislation in the EU that there was no real thought for historians who are frustrated by laws intended to stop us getting bogus phone calls or having our data sold to West Africa or finding our bank account emptied of funds or credit cards cloned. There is such duplicity in recording, so I can go to online to TNA records and find the ORB which might give most of what I need and yet some other historical record may not be open 'because it involves a death' which I knew about anyway!
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