USAF air to air losses during 'Linebacker I'

[NickM]

Thanks;

I got Michels' book in front of me: The June 24 losses were one close escort F4 & one Strike F4(post bomb drop) were lost to Mig 21s & on June 27 a MigCAP F4 & two F4s diverted for 'SAR' work were shot down by Migs.

I guess I better read closer...I think MAYBE Michel's math is a bit off---

Speaking of which, the May 18 F4 loss to the J-6/MiG19--do you know if it was it shot down by cannon fire or by Atoll missiles?

Thanks

[mars]

As far as I know, only Mig-21s were armed with Atoll missiles. And Michael is correct of the F-4 losses on Jun 24 and June 27

[NickM]

Originally Posted by mars

As far as I know, only Mig-21s were armed with Atoll missiles. And Michael is correct of the F-4 losses on Jun 24 and June 27

For those two days yes they were...I'm trying to sift thru 'Clashes' slowly & methodically...the bit that has me curious is that he said of the 24 planes lost by the USAF 18 where F4s...so far I only see one F105 & the rest seem to be all F4s;

Anyhoo...it's interesting that The F4s downed by the J-6/Mig19s had no survivors except for Robert Lodge; Must be those huge 30mm cannons they carried.

NM

[Leendert]

The single F-105G was downed on 11 May 72 (62-4224, 17 WWS, 388 TFW), crew Maj William Talley and Maj James Padgett, both POW.
Distracted by SAMs and shot down by Mig-21.

The two F-4s that were lost in the strike elements were 66-7636 on 24 Jun72 and 66-8738 on 5 Oct 72.

The "indirect" F-105G (own Sidewinder exploded a bit too soon..) was on 29 Jul 72 (62-4443, 17 WWS, 388 TFW). Both crew survived (Maj Coady and Maj Murphy).

Regards,

Leendert

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Leendert

From he very detailed book Vietnam Air Losses by Chris Hobson that describes each and every USAF, USN and USMC fixed-wing a/c loss I could make out the following.


Leendert

Leendert: Was this a privately published book? Amazon lists an exactly titled "article" in Air and Space Power magazine by a different author.

[NickM]

Originally Posted by Leendert

The single F-105G was downed on 11 May 72 (62-4224, 17 WWS, 388 TFW), crew Maj William Talley and Maj James Padgett, both POW.
Distracted by SAMs and shot down by Mig-21.

The two F-4s that were lost in the strike elements were 66-7636 on 24 Jun72 and 66-8738 on 5 Oct 72.

The "indirect" F-105G (own Sidewinder exploded a bit too soon..) was on 29 Jul 72 (62-4443, 17 WWS, 388 TFW). Both crew survived (Maj Coady and Maj Murphy).

Regards,

Leendert

Hmmmm...the October 5 striker loss was not in Michel's book; but the entries before & after this date are replete with Migs being able to get thru to the strikers & harass them into dropping their payloads;

NM

[NickM]

Originally Posted by John Beaman

Leendert: Was this a privately published book? Amazon lists an exactly titled "article" in Air and Space Power magazine by a different author.

John it's a REAL book; I saw it once at my local Barnes & Noble...I even thumbed through it for a bit.

NM

[mars]

Originally Posted by Leendert

The single F-105G was downed on 11 May 72 (62-4224, 17 WWS, 388 TFW), crew Maj William Talley and Maj James Padgett, both POW.
Distracted by SAMs and shot down by Mig-21.

The two F-4s that were lost in the strike elements were 66-7636 on 24 Jun72 and 66-8738 on 5 Oct 72.

The "indirect" F-105G (own Sidewinder exploded a bit too soon..) was on 29 Jul 72 (62-4443, 17 WWS, 388 TFW). Both crew survived (Maj Coady and Maj Murphy).

Regards,

Leendert

You are right, I missed that one, that is a thick book

[Frank Olynyk]

John,
Go to addall.com, and put in Chris Hobson, and Vietnam, and you will find a number of copies. One of the bookstores is actually in North Carolina!

Enjoy!

Frank.

[John Beaman]

Thanks Frank