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Old 6th July 2017, 09:49
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Good morning Kirill,

in the biographical text Polak writes that "Mikhail Sedov joined 296th IAP in October 1941, where he initially flew MiG 1s."
Oddly, in the list of known claims he writes that in late August 1941 he shot down a Bf 109 in an I-16 with 296th IAP.

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Michael Hi,
296 IAP was at the front 31.07.1941 on 01.10.1941 and flew on I-16. Then was upgraded to the Yak-1 and returned to the front 22.01.1942.
If M. S. Sedov arrived in the regiment in October 1941, maybe he was up to 295 IAP? (but 295th regiment also flew on I-16).
Perhaps in your source confused the MiG-1 and Yak-1?
Lt M.S. Sedov - 3+6 claims and 101 c.m. [according to M.Bykov].
In the award document stated that the South-Western front he was with 11.02.1942 and had by 09.03.1942 - 32 combat missions and 2+5 claims. "+5 group" claims it is 09.03.1942 (the famous battle of "7 vs 25" of Eryomin group)

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Hello Kirill,

yes, the evidence for Sedov flying the MiG-1 is too weak.
Does Bykov mention that plane in his Sedov text ?
Does he give the decimals of Sedov's shared kills ?

I wish you a good weekend, sincerely,

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Old 10th July 2017, 13:58
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Hello Kirill,

yes, the evidence for Sedov flying the MiG-1 is too weak.
Does Bykov mention that plane in his Sedov text ?
Does he give the decimals of Sedov's shared kills ?

I wish you a good weekend, sincerely,

Michael
Michael,
There is no additional information on the issues. M. Bykov's information only as a commentary to the interview with Yeremin Boris Nikolayevich.
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Hello Kirill,

Mr. Bykov might have omitted Sedov because he hasn't 5 personal kills.
However I only found him on one website:
http://wio.ru/aces/ace2.htm
which assigns him to the 969. IAP.

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Hello Kirill,

Mr. Bykov might have omitted Sedov because he hasn't 5 personal kills.
However I only found him on one website:
http://wio.ru/aces/ace2.htm
which assigns him to the 969. IAP.

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http://statehistory.ru/books/Artyem-...r--1941-1942/6
Ctrl+f - Седов
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Hello Kirill,

I'm not proficient in Russian language but as far as I understand the website mentions Sedov and the MiG-1 but not his score or his connection to the aircraft, right ?

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Hello Kirill,

I'm not proficient in Russian language but as far as I understand the website mentions Sedov and the MiG-1 but not his score or his connection to the aircraft, right ?

Michael
Michael, I do not speak English)) und Ich weiß nicht, Deutsch)
Googleit:
Yeremin B.N. - "If in this battle we were on MiG-1 or LaGG-3, its result would hardly have been the same. "MiG", when it only takes off, you must cover him yourself, it is sluggish at medium altitudes, impossible to accelerate, only at the height it gives the pilot the opportunity to feel himself normally."

This is all that is said about the MiG. The pilot's opinion, but is not the fact that he flew on this plane.
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Hello Kirill,

your English is fine from my German point of view.
And you're right: the quotation doesn't prove they flew the MiG-1 in combat. But it reveals that this plane wasn't liked the the Soviet pilots.
It's odd that such a beautiful plane is so insufficient. What was the problem, technically ? A bad engine ? A bad aerodynamic design ?

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Hello Kirill,

your English is fine from my German point of view.
And you're right: the quotation doesn't prove they flew the MiG-1 in combat. But it reveals that this plane wasn't liked the the Soviet pilots.
It's odd that such a beautiful plane is so insufficient. What was the problem, technically ? A bad engine ? A bad aerodynamic design ?

Michael
Hi Michael,
the view of Yeremin has the effect of postwar official position on the MiG-3, in which a large proportion of PR. In the memoirs of the pilots who flew the MiG-3 is no such definite negative.
I have no clear opinion about the fate of the MiG-3. I consider it was one of the best aircraft in 1941, but he was unlucky on three faktors:
- problem 1 - search "suitable" engine;
- problem 2 - "Deputy Commissar of the aviation industry on the new technology" Yakovlev A. S.;
- problem 3 - the importance of the Il-2 and requirements of the country's leadership for its release.
The other problems (armament, reliability etc.) Mikoyan and Gurevich were able to solve early then their "competitors", but these three problems were not in their power.
The last MiG-3 was armed with 2 cannon ShVAK already in the spring of 1942 (La-5 with close weapons appeared in the army only in August 1942, and mass in 1943);
The MiG carried a bomb load initially and rocket launchers (the rest of The "competitors" were either not designed for this, either as the Yak-7B and Yak-9 was released later);
The MiG had a strong design with metallic center section and partly a metal shell (much stronger than Yak or LaGG/La);
The MiG had a range greater than that of Yak and LaGG;
The MiG was made at a higher level and make it easier to repair. The aircrafts produced in 1941 and flew on combat missions until mid-1944 (air defense). That's long time for not all-metal aircraft.
In fact the Yak-7B (and its receiver of the Yak-9) as a heavy fighter-bomber replaced the MiG-3, although the last MiG-3 with engine Am-38 was superior or not inferior even to these later aircraft in many faktors.

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