He219 lost 24/25 September 1944

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Marcel,

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and information. We all learn with that.

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Chris,

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Thanks Marcel so Maj Alfred Hemm? Last year you seemed to indicate that it was technical not combat that resulted in the ejection and force-landing?

If I gave that impression, my apologies. No, according to the war diary of the I./NJG 1 Hemm's He219 was shot up by an allied nightfighter so the Mosquito-claim is a correct one even when it did not result in the complete loss but an emergency landing in Dortmund

Best regards, Marcel

[Chris Goss]

Thanks. The combat report is quite specific that they attacked a 219-their description of it is good. They reported strikes all over the fuselage and wing roots after which it dived away and they saw a white flash on the ground which they 'thought' was the ac hitting the ground. They only claimed a probable which was later stepped up to a destroyed

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Marcel,
Do you know the werknummer of this particular machine (Hemm's)?
Was it later repaired or considered S.O.C.?
Chris
Thanks for sharing the details of the Combat Report.

[keith A]

I returned home today to find so many responses. Many thanks to all. Foster's claims appear to be very accurate. Based on what has gone before it seems possible his three Ju88G claims in January 1945 might be accurate too.

K

[Nick Beale]

Ron Ferguson's "The Heinkel He 219, A Research Paper (3rd Edition)" has a loss from 2./NJG 1 on 25/26 September: W.Nr. 190098, G9+EK with Ltn. Günther Schirmer and Gefr. Wilhelm Rosneberger wounded. The aircraft crashed at Münster-Handorf with 95% damage. Ferguson tentatively links this with Foster's claim (noting the location as a good match for example) but says the connection remains uncertain.

[Chris Goss]

From what I can see, 604 Sqn were effectively on a rest 24-25 Sep 44 and Foster's claim was in December?

[keith A]

My source has the 24/25 September date. Perhaps incorrect and December is an option. Cross-fertilisation among sources is not unknown. Your sources are? Perhaps the crossover date of 25 September 1944 is a solution? Or the casualty report is late? Unless we have another He219 claim on 24/25 September 1944?

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

From what I can see, 604 Sqn were effectively on a rest 25-26 Sep 44 and Foster's claim was in December?

Ferguson suggests there's a question about the date of the claim … but three months?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

Ferguson suggests there's a question about the date of the claim … but three months?

It seems for some reason the date 24/25 Sep 1944 was favoured for quite a long time.
Chris Shores was still listing it in his Aces High, 1994 edition.
However in his 2nd Tactical Air Force Vol 2, 2005 edition, he has clearly changed his mind
and switched to 24/25 Dec!

Looks like Chris G is right.....

Cheers
Stig