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Old 31st May 2017, 15:34
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Hello Juha & Peter,

thanks for the info. I think I found the features you mentioned.
I acknowledge aircraft types by their official names regardless if there were major or minor differences as long as there were any.

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Old 1st June 2017, 23:43
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Hi Michael,
From the point of view of designers (and initially military) and the aircraft factory, both aircraft were one model. Designers (and until December 1940 the military) called MiG-1 and MiG-3 - "I-200", and in production they were called "type 61".
That the military already after launching in the series of both modifications of the "I-200" Named them in different ways, could be related to the internal policy of the NKAP and NKO.

The difference between the I-200 modifications is connected with the addition of an additional fuel tank and the correction of the shortcomings of the first aircraft, which were produced before the completion of the factory tests (and even more so before the state tests)

The motor was moved forward by 100 mm; Increased "V" of the wing; Radiator from below the other model and shifted forward; Enlarged wheels; The lower (small) chassis flaps are transferred to the "centerplane".

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Old 4th June 2017, 21:35
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Good evening Juha, Peter & Kirill,

there's but one MiG-1 profile in "MiG-3 Aces of World War 2" (page 52, profile 11) by Khazanov & Medved. I cannot discern the features you told me. Is it an inaccuracy of the book (showing a MiG-3 in fact) ?

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Old 5th June 2017, 02:55
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Pretty sure that's a Mig-3, Michael.
Pic of Mig-1 attached. Note no air scoop under the nose, shorter rear canopy glazing and extra vertical canopy strut.
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Old 5th June 2017, 10:59
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Hi Michael,
The glazing of the cabin on the MiG-1 was changed during the production process. On the late MiG-1, the glazing of the cabin was like that of the MiG-3.
MiG-1
http://www.airpages.ru/draw/i200mod.gif
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/mig1/mig1-1.gif
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/mig1/mig1-2.gif
MiG-3
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/mig3/mig3-1.gif
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/mig3/mig3-2.gif

The main difference is the fuel tank under the pilot seat.
Displacement of the engine can be seen from the nozzles in the top view. The wheels were 600 * 180 (MiG-1), and was 650 * 200 (MiG-3)
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Old 6th June 2017, 14:11
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Good afternoon Kirill,

thanks for the pictures which illustrate the different features well.
The MiG looks awesome but was insufficient...just like the Pfalz D.III in WW1.
What did she lack ?

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Old 4th July 2017, 11:50
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

update: I finally found one notable pilot associated with the MiG-1.
Mikhail S. Sedov, 296. IAP, 2+5sh kills, flew initially the MiG-1, then I-16 and Yak-1.
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Michael,

Have you included this pilot for consideration in your list of MiG pilots?

http://victory.sokolniki.com/eng/His...oes/10313.aspx
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Re: any MiG-1 aces

Good morning Nick,

Tomas Polak indicates a total of 45 in two wars for Stepan Suprun, at least 11 of these in the MiG-3. However he acknowledged that this might not be true taking into account his early death.
http://airaces.narod.ru/china/suprun.htm

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Re: any MiG-1 aces

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update: I finally found one notable pilot associated with the MiG-1.
Mikhail S. Sedov, 296. IAP, 2+5sh kills, flew initially the MiG-1, then I-16 and Yak-1.
Michael, good day
when and in what regiment did Lieutenant M.S. Sedov fly on the MiG-1? 296 IAP in June 1941 flew on the I-16 and in September 1941 withdrew to re-form. Returned in early 1942 already on the Yak-1. Sedov served on the South-Western Front from February 1942 and died in late March 1942.
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