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Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
I think that many members of the forum will be interested to know that Dr. Ben Wheatley, a Honorary Research Fellow in the School of History at the University of East Anglia, has used Luftwaffe reconnaissance images to demonstrate visually the disastrous defeat of the Soviet 5th Guards Tank Army at Prokhorovka on 12 July 1943, during the battle of Kursk.
The article is available online, for free: A visual examination of the battle of Prokhorovka https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...2.2019.1606545 Dr. Wheatley's article was published in May, and now, close to the anniversary of the battle, the historical editor of the German newspaper Die Welt has drawn wide public attention to it: Der „Sieg“ der Roten Armee, der in Wirklichkeit eine Niederlage war Von Sven Felix Kellerhoff Leitender Redakteur Geschichte https://www.welt.de/geschichte/zweit...er-Panzer.html Stalin’s claim of Prokhorovka tank victory destroyed by hoard of pictures Oliver Moody, Berlin correspondent for The Times. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...ures-jl8vbk0b7 A hysterical official Russian reaction has already followed: Germany Should Prosecute Author Of Article About Battle Of Prokhorovka - Russian Lawmaker https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/g...ab-666246.html Kind regards, Dan
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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
Interesting read. Recommended
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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
Roman Töppel, "Kursk 1943 Die größte Schlacht des Zweiten Weltkrieges" comes to a similar conclusion, albeit w/o photographic corroboration. Also an interesting read, and recommended
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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
There is no doubt in my mind that statistically the German army won the Battle of Prokhorovka and did so by a significant margin.
However, in the immediate aftermath of the Battle of Kursk, the Red Army launched a series of offensives in the north of the salient thereby liberating Byelgorod, in the centre, liberating Orel, and perhaps most significantly in the south, liberating Kharkov (the 3rd battle of Kharkov). The scale and ferocity of the Russian offensive after such a crippling losses in the Battle of Kursk surprised even the defensive warfare expert such as Gen. Walter Model undoubtedly was. The point, as I see it, is that the Red Army took the strategic initiative on the eastern front, while the German Army was never again able to mount an offensive of the scale of the Battle of Kursk. If someone was to draw a parallel with a Great War, a good candidate would be a naval battle of Jutland of 1916. The Imperial Kriegsmarine won the battle statistically, but never again challenged the supremacy of the Royal Navy. Regards, Sinisa |
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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
Hi Dan,
Thanks a million for bringing this stuff to our attention! Wheatley's article is an extremely well-researched review of the true events and actual outcome of this momentous encounter, and it'll serve as a useful complement to the books by Lawrence, Töppel, Glantz, et al. I'll be making a trip to Kursk and Stalingrad in the not-too-distant future, so this material will be an invaluable guide to the Prokhorovka battlefield. Much obliged, Leon Venter p.s. The Russian response is priceless! |
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But much indignation was caused by this phrase from Die Welt: "Eigentlich müsste dieses Denkmal sofort abgerissen werden". Monument is symbol of one big battle near Prokchorowka which lasted 12-16 July 1943, started with debacle on 12.07 and ended with German retreat on 16.07.1943. That fact that 5 guard tank army was defeated by germans on 12.07.1943 is opened in russian historical society long time ago by very respected researcher Zamulin. |
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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
Gentlemen, I am glad to see that you are interested.
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The Viazma Catastrophe, 1941. The Red Army's Disastrous Stand against Operation Typhoon https://www.amazon.co.uk/Viazma-Cata...dp/1908916508/ There is also an English translation of another important work by Lopukhovsky, which highlights that contemporary official Russian figures of Soviet losses during the Second World War are very suspect: The Price of Victory: The Red Army's Casualties in the Great Patriotic War https://www.amazon.co.uk/Price-Victo...dp/1473899648/ The first major German work on Kursk combining German and Soviet sources was Karl-Heinz Frieser's chapter in the 2008 volume of the German official history of the war - Das Deutsche Reich und der Zweite Weltkrieg - Band 8. Die Ostfront 1943/44: Der Krieg im Osten und an den Nebenfronten https://www.randomhouse.de/Buch/Das-...ch/e227084.rhd The battle has also been the subject of an exceptionally thorough study by Chrstopher A. Lawrence, head of The Dupuy Institute, who compiled a database of German and Soviet primary source information over the course of many years. His 2015 book, Kursk: The Battle of Prokhorovka, is one of the longest books ever published. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kursk-Battl...dp/0971385254/ Quote:
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The Russian response is not just a cause for ridicule, or the loose talk of a minor official. Alexander Nikolaevich Sherin is the First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma (Parliament) Committee on Defence since October 2016. He is also a retired Airborne Captain, who was wounded in the Second Chechen War. It is a matter of concern that a senior member of Russia's Parliament feels himself free to issue threats as a rejoinder to an academic article. Kind regards, Dan
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Any journalistic sensationalism that Kellerhof may have engaged in does not in the least excuse the completely inadmissible behaviour by Sherin. The German retreat from Prokhorovka was occasioned by the collapse of the Axis defences in Sicily and by the Soviet offensive on the northern flank of the Orel Bulge held by Heeresgruppe Mitte, not by Soviet actions around Prokhorovka itself. Manstein was even asking Hitler for permission to conduct further offensive action, something which illustrates the magnitude of Soviet problems in this specific geographical area. Zamulin has indeed followed up Lopukhovsky's pioneering study from 2005, but he has written very little about the operations around Orel, or indeed the wider strategic context of operations on other fronts. The problems in the approach taken by many modern Russian historians are on display in the article "An Undoubted victory of the Red Army on the fields at Prokhorovka", written by the popular historian Alexei Isaev on the website of the Russian Society of Military History, as a direct response to Wheatley. Isaev states that the surprise arrival of fresh Soviet reserves, namely the 5th Guards Tank Army, marked the failure of the offensive by Heeresgruppe Süd, because the German forces were unprepared for this eventuality. This is a nonsensical argument, since the surprise counter-attack on 12 July was defeated with very heavy losses. It is not at all clear why some contemporary Russian historians and officials feel the urge to react with such rhetoric to a rather straightforward review of the Germany imagery of this battlefield. Kind regards, Dan
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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
Did the Luftwaffe participate in this battle: air superiority, ground attack, ISTAR?
"Low clouds in the morning and thunderstorms in the afternoon inhibited air operations over Prokhorovka for both sides.[138] Over the Prokhorovka battlefield the Luftwaffe gained control of the air. Formations of Stukas, including a small number of the G-2 variants, experimentally equipped with twin 3.7-centimetre (1.5 in) Bordkanone BK 3,7 cannon in gun pods, that were commanded by Staffelkapitän Hans-Ulrich Rudel, attacked the Soviet formations. They were joined by Fw 190 single engine fighter-bombers and Hs 129 twin-engined ground-attack aircraft, both equipped with 3-centimetre (1.2 in) anti-tank cannon.[120]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...vka#Air_combat Bronc |
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